[Salvos] 365. Vain (Removed for KU)

Glad to know that Orgaf can see the facts in front of him, thought I wonder if a part of that is because of him being head over hills for Salvos? Btw why do I think Belzu is still alive? the guy is really good in making illusions and messing up with people's senses so maybe he can fool a Demon at level 180 if they are dumb enough?

Lon

Thanks for the chapter.

Joshua Little

[Will of the Hero] managed to ward off Grand skills twice - the Lich's skill and the one the demons cast with a scroll. However, both times the Grand skills were large AoE. I have some serious doubts that it could ward the twin demon's Grand Skill with much more focused damaging attack. Also Lich's Grand Skill was time-stop... it's not even quite clear whether he was protected from it or not. You are also off about [Hero's Rage] - that's a boost skill for a certain duration, it's definitely not strong enough boost to kill Belzu with a single hit. On the other hand [Hero's Strike] augmented with other Hero's skills can definitely kill a much higher level opponent - we've known this since long ago.

Alexey Gladkich

@Alexey Gladkich I didn't confuse anything. You are misreading. I just didn't type out [My Flames Shall Burn Until Eternity Ends] when I was referring to it. So, maybe it wasn't quite as clear as I thought it was. Hero Skills are also stated to be equal to Grand Skills in narrative (chapter 168 part 2), and at least one of Daniel's skills completely stopped the Grand Skill of the Lich (chapter 161) I don't think we've seen an Active Skill that has a passive buff component that is functional while the skill isn't being used before. I wonder if that's something that is particular to Divine Essence. Also, it was implied in narrative that [A Hero's Rage] would one-shot Belzu if it hit, but this is somewhat moot, since Belzu is too good with illusions and avoidance for Daniel to actually hit with this one.

Jericho Drakane

I love that trope. “Person summons something to kill his enemies but is first one killed”

Frostbutt

@JerichoDrakane you are confusing things. [Divine Essence of Daeva Cambion] is the one that grants huge boost for a day with a month of cooldown. With a passive boost of natural shape-shifting. This is the skill that grants Rainbow boost to everything. The other her Grand Skill is [My Flames Shall Burn Until Eternity Ends] is nigh-invulnerability skill for a minute or so with a week cool down. Both of these skills surpass Hero-skills and every other type of skills considerably in the amount of power they produce. Hero-skills are cheat skills, surpassing all normal skills by far yet coming short of Grand-Skills. Sure, they can be used once a day but a single use of almost any Grand-Skill will beat a 100-level hero undoubtedly - with all the Hero skills used.

Alexey Gladkich

Huh, feeling like I was wrong about Belzu not bringing the beast out to play, but I suppose it could just be a beastling. Not really sure what Belzu was going for though. There was something about freedom, the whole lord of lies title that I don't think has been explained, and now his demon field trip.

Benjamin Lipken

Well fuck, it’s the end of the world. Great chapter!

Cold_Fischl

@Gonvas: This world. ... I see that doesn't convince. Well, let's take a look at a couple of Hero Skills. First, his boost skill. The most obvious advantage of [The Will of the Hero] is the cooldown. To put it mildly- it ain't a month. It also applies a passive effect similar to one of Salvos' old skills that makes it easier to weave and control magic. Plus, it can be applied as an aura to all nearby allies, as well as the hero that uses it. Mathematically, the buff might be lesser, but it gets better every time Daniel levels, eventually overtaking the Grand Skill in that department as well. All from a level 70 skill. Oh, and don't forget- Daniel can change its effects at will: He once deployed it as an absolute shield to perfectly block the Lich's Grand Skill, [Open, My Cold Heart, And Freeze Time Itself]. As for the second skill, I'll motion to [Hero's Slash]. It's main comparison is Salvos' [Radiant Slash]. The two skills are very similar in appearance and effect. At first, they seem fairly evenly balanced: [Hero's Slash] is noticeably stronger and [Radiant Slash] has a shorter cooldown. However, [Radiant Slash] is a Platinum-Rank skill. While, on the other hand, [Hero's Slash] was obtained at level 10. A level 10 skill that is still one of the strongest single-target attacks in their group. Hero Skills are busted in this universe. Maybe the whole class is busted in general. He gets a skill for every advancement that is considered just a notch lower than a Grand Skill, and he gets them for free. Plus, they don't take up a skill slot, and there's nothing preventing him from picking up Grand Skills too. There's a reason why Hero abilities were a major contributing factor for Salvos to decide to go to Magic School. ... I wonder if Daniel's second class will also grant Hero Skills upon advancement. EDIT: Well, I said they were considered a notch below Grand Skills, but I was rereading and the narrative also notes them to be "equivalent" to Grand Skills at least once as well.

Jericho Drakane

@Chrisbirdie: Yes, I would take the same conclusion on her Divine Essence, based on in-universe hints. The skill will likely either change, or act as a evolution requirement to access some crazy race change at 150. Her other Grand Skill is the one that really grants super flames, but this one seems to make them rainbow colored. This change has been somewhat... abstract when it comes to what it actually does, but it seems to hint that divine flames might have special properties, similar to the flames that Willy produces.

Jericho Drakane

Am I the only one fucking confused about the belzu arc? Like I was never convinced about why he's here or his motivations.... Beyond that, was he essential to the plot? Also why are wasting a battle awesome character like academy Principe? Like I was super disappointed last chapter when he turned his back on the threat he felt. He had so much potential as a character n it felt wasted to sideline him like that. Thoughts?

mightguyishot

He is actually a Demon of Greed. The reason he doesn't work with humans - he simply believes that mortals are inferior and worthless. He primarily opposes Regnorex because the Demon King wants to merge the two worlds while Belzu desires to continue the isolation. You see Belzu, isn't against the idea of total domination of demons by the Demon King - he just disagrees with current King's aims and thus rebels. I am not sure who's worse Belzu or Demon King.

Alexey Gladkich

You know, for a while, I was wondering "Just what is Belzu's deal? Why is it that he's so fundamentally against the idea that maybe, he doesn't need to make enemies with everyone? Why is it that the Devil kind of likes him, but doesn't really give him much in the way of support?" Then it hit me last chapter. "It's because that contact with the Devil convinced him that he was special, that he was unique, and thus, it was utterly unacceptable for anyone else to be special. So Salvos must either be a sleeper agent of the Demon King or secretly The Beast 2.0." It's because he was special, unique. Nobody else could be like him, and therefore anything that suggested otherwise needed to go. And when he lost, it stopped being about being the Special One, and became all about making everyone suck, because if the Protagonist died, then everything else needed to burn in consequence. Demons of Envy! Not even once!

Well I mean based on what we have heard the divine essence is like the baseline spark for becoming a divine race. Which probably comes with massive benefits. Plus doesnt she get way stronger flames aswell? I wouldnt be surprised if at 150 she becomes a "lesser god" as The devil presumes and that probably includes her Divine Essence becoming inherent and most like permanently active or atleast something she can draw on without a real cooldown.

Chrisbirdie

In what world are the hero skills better than Salvos GS? The stat boost isn't a % but it's still much better than the hero boost skill. Even if the hero skill (a quasi GS) gave double the % it would still offer less stats for all 5 stats. Add the massive power up for her subspecies skills and ability to transform her body... Just her titles offer more stats than the hero skill and they also give skills.

Gonvas

Well, Belzu's end (if he really did just end) was rather anticlimactic. Me like :P

AntiClimax she her

>Hm. I knew that would be the case mathematically, especially when it comes to titles, but doesn't that make Salvos' Divine Grand Skill kinda... terrible? >The higher she gets in level, the worse it becomes because the stat increase is flat instead of percentage-based. I guess Daniel's Hero skills really are just straight better than hers, even his lower level Hero skills are better. The skill is definitely going to evolve/change when Salvos reaches level 150, either through her simply evolving her species or her ascending into lesser godhood. When you judge it by the metrics of level 150-200 of course it's going to come up lacking since it's an unfair comparison. But of course we're talking about a diamond ranked Grand Skill, and within that level bracket it's a 'bonkers as fuck'-strong buff; to the point it can let her contend with Elites in fights, where usually she would have no business fighting them in the first place.

Ihaxlikenoob

maybe by human level standards... but remember that demons and spirits are said to be rougly 10 levels stonger in mortals equivalent for the same level

egulio

Hm. I knew that would be the case mathematically, especially when it comes to titles, but doesn't that make Salvos' Divine Grand Skill kinda... terrible? The higher she gets in level, the worse it becomes because the stat increase is flat instead of percentage-based. I guess Daniel's Hero skills really are just straight better than hers, even his lower level Hero skills are better. Can't help but think that Salvos got short-changed with that month-long cooldown on a skill that just gets worse as she levels. Maybe it's a transitional skill that becomes "more divine" as she evolves.

Jericho Drakane

WoG from the discord has said that stats fall off in prominence as you get to higher levels with Skills end up replacing them as the premiere piece to use in 'measuring' contests. Doubtlessly beings level 150 and above have past that point. Having extremely high stats for your level still helps massively though, but they just aren't the 'be-all end-all' metric they were at the lower levels.

Ihaxlikenoob

Shouldn't Salvos' equivalent level due to her divine grand skill still put her with the stats of someone roughly 50 levels higher than this thing? Not even counting her own titles. It must have some wicked evolution or crazy skills of its own.

Jericho Drakane

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Captdeth

Didn't think he will die that way

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