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Diving in the Wreckage - Independence, Decadence, and Renewal

Sean and Varn are back to talk about the various paroxysms of the American left: why are the sects getting weirder and weirder? Why do we have to pay attention to capitalist politics while realizing we have no stake in it? Why do we focus on labor and what the hell is the Independent Labor Club trying to do?

Song: Gary Numan - This Wreckage

Diving in the Wreckage - Independence, Decadence, and Renewal
Diving in the Wreckage - Independence, Decadence, and Renewal Diving in the Wreckage - Independence, Decadence, and Renewal Diving in the Wreckage - Independence, Decadence, and Renewal

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Small note on bread tubers. Thorn is a movie star, contrapoints is the one who did the Hilary commercial

Taz

The Magacoms don’t seem to use that phrase anymore, and Haz has stopped mentioning anything about Evola or Schmidt in maybe years now. Nor do they claim any affinity for the Republican party, seems like Varn is going off of something written a few years ago.

Tim Leanoy

agreed that we need a canadian ILC asap!

The Antifada

with clarifying that Corbyn came to power because the blairites in a botched factional play, attempted to americanize The Labour Leadership ellection. in order to muscle out the unions by introducing a primary style ellection that anyone could vote in for a small fee.

Maggie+Al

Glad they’re gonna get into what can come of all this next time cause increasingly it feels like being anything but some kind of workerist feels like a complete waste of time and energy. Lord I can’t wait for all this nonsense to either die off or get subsumed into something material

Cole

Omw to hospital cause I took a shot every time Varn addressed those of us who don’t know

daytorn

I think Sean mixed up Abigail Thorn and Contrapoints which probably speaks to how little YouTube content he watches lol

self loathing egomaniac

The point about people just reducing labor independence down to "who am I supposed to vote for" is a major point of frustration. Even in Canada, where we have more traditional European style parties, it often still just boils down to, "oh, so I should vote NDP or I should vote Green?" (both of these "progressive" parties sign off on endless weapons to Ukraine and Israel and neither of them are anti-capitalist). The idea of building theoretically sound socialist institutions outside of any connection to these parties is completely outside people's imaginations, even for a lot of the most popular online lefty Canucks.

Mark Brian Wilson

Louisiana 🤝 Utah Being pretty much mostly uninhabitable Also ✋ former stay at home dad here, wife is still the breadwinner

Trey


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