The Patreon Podcast Bonus - I Love The Last Jedi (Spoilers)

Also the novelisation states that the hyperspace entry point of Holdo's Ship was posistioned behind the supremacy.

Wrong <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GZ3qSV9s0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GZ3qSV9s0</a> @ 1.08

I really disliked this movie. Hated it actually. I don't want to get into it as you can hear why from alot of different people, even on here. There is one thing I have to point out though which fucking grinds my gears so far and it's the scene where Holdo shoots through all those ships (one of them being a fucking star destroyer). When is going in to Hyper Space ever established as just going really fast in any form of sci Fi? I mean c'mon! Hyper space is WORMHOLE traveling not just going REALLY FAST! If it was just going really fast then everyone doing it would crash into other planets and ships along there path. And let's say she was close enough to cause that much damage. Fine. If a ship has the power to destroy a STAR DESTROYER and 10 SHIPS BEHIND IT (or whatever) by just going into hyper space really close to it, then why didn't they just do that to destroy the Death Star? Unmanned Ship + Hyper Space equals Death Star split in half apperently to this continuity. I may reply with more if not everything else I really hate about this film but I don't really see the point. It's better not to complain and better to just hope the next one is good. If I'm just really mad one day, I'll write the rest down to make myself feel better 😂

I love this movie. I can't see why some people have problems with it, as you said everything in the movie works to something. I think people just don't like the movie because it borrows to much from the original trilogy ascetically.

Sorry, 'were planning'.

I have only one (major) problem with the film, and it's the BIG plot hole. When whatisface betrays Finn and Rose - there is no possible way he could have known what the rebels where planning. There is no way Finn and Rose could have known.

binding of Issac, Zelda and Mario Kart they should give you a good base to go on :)

jamie barber

My alternative Last Jedi: During Rey’s confrontation of Snoke and Kylo Ren, she manages to kill the Supreme Leader but is herself struck down by his apprentice. Simultaneously, all the Rebel soldiers are killed on their starship and all hope appears to be lost. Through Kylo Ren it is revealed that The Empire are not the true enemy and that they have been locked in a inter-galaxy war with a larger dark power – hence the need to create weapons such as the Death Star. This gives meaning to is own personal rebellion that led to the death of his father, Han Solo, despite having no will to bring such pain to his family. The Rebels were, in fact, a fly in the ointment. They distracted the Empire from their attempts to save the galaxy, costing precious resources and time, which led to the deaths of millions. Had the Rebels united with The Empire under a truce offered by Darth Vader, they would have stood a fighting chance to banish this greater foe. Kylo Ren must now seek to unite with the conflicted but knowledgeable Luke Skywalker, who has always understood the true intent of the Dark Side. Together they may bring some semblance of hope to unite the galaxy and defeat this darker power – together they might be… The Last True Hope.

Tom Spencer

Dan, I have just bought a switch, which games should i get, other than mario odyssey?

Alex Manton

You know what I love about Star Wars? A couple of movies that barely got funded and produced, sparked arguably the greatest cultural movement in the last few decades. George Lucas’ little pet project that he scraped together from basically nothing turned sci-fi from a nerd only genre to something that everyone can enjoy. The original trilogy was fun and deep and while they have some problems they were still moving enough to launch several careers and inspire so many people to loving Star Wars. People who wouldn’t be the people they are today had they not seen it. The prequels suffered a bit from producer meddling and what was popular at the time but there was considerable effort put into them and they were enjoyable. I just rewatched The Last Jedi after listening to this podcast and it struck me how much love was put into the most recent movies. Every detail is cared for and the characters are real and intimate because the actors love the story and the role and the universe because it was their childhood and a part of who they are. There is no wasted effort because the creators of these films pump their heart and soul into the script and into the scenes and it’s a thing of beauty to watch. If you wanted to show somebody what love looks like in a movie setting I can’t think of a better example. I really have to thank you Dan for being able to find the themes of the movie a bit easier than I could, they were right in my face I couldn’t see the obvious “failure”. Knowing that going into the rewatch made me fall even more in love with this movie now that I could start looking at everything else.

John Oke

I also really enjoyed the movie—and now I understand why! I also went to high-school with three of the director’s cousins, so I have that going for me...

WC the Comedian

Have you heard or seen anything about "Overcrowd: A Commute 'Em Up" on Steam? I think you'll really enjoy it from what I've seen of it. Its not available as of now but will be sometime this year

If you want to hear a good argument about the last Jedi, you should listen to Jesse’s Star Wars new canon book club on it. It is really funny and Davis loses his mind.

Steven Clinton

I took me eight scrolls of the screen to get past this. You weren't joking about it being an essay.

Isaac Rodriguez

Glad you loved the film man!! I'm baffled by the level of hate this film gets it's just bizarre!

CB

Ohhhh, mesa penguin man! Fucking killed me XD

D&D Lemur

The Force Awakens told us about Snoke, who has a face that has a backstory. But he gets straight up just killed. He's not important but that's still a backstory that's untold

m0sifer

You said in the past that you don't like or particularly care for game of thrones. I would think that you like that kind of show. The incredibly rich world building, the complex characters (not a single character is pure evil nor pure good for example), the uncoventional story telling. All things you love in other things, so howe come you don't like game of thrones?

Mathieu Marlaire

I love the Last Jedi. BUT It's just a couple of things that made me irritated with it, I didn't enjoy the casino story and it kept dragging us away from the interesting stuff with luke. And I while I like having my expectations broken I was kind of dissapointed when characters that i'm interested in get no backstory or are simply cast aside. (Snoke &amp; Phasma)

Dylan Parry

after 3 minutes of listening to this podcast I just went out, bought the DVD, and immediatly watched through The Last Jedi before I continued listening to the podcast

Skylos

You don't know how much I loved this, first of all thank you for the bonus! Second: Before I watched the film at the cinema I was "Warned" about the film being bad from my friends that claim to be "Hardcore" fans of the franchise. I watched it and fucking adored it, I spent the next few days trying to argue with them about why they were wrong but they wouldn't listen. This Podcast just gave me a bunch new ammunition :P It was also really interesting to see your take and it helped me clear up some of the reasons why I loved the film. Hope you feel better soon!

Max Campbell

This movie is amazing it is my second favourite movie of all time after Back to The Future

Max Hancox

An Unsolicited Essay on The Last Jedi Dan, I loved what you had to say on the film, thanks so much for doing a bonus podcast for it! I've broken this up into smaller chunks for your convenience. Also worth noting that I was born in 1999 (apparently I kicked all through TPM) so I'm a lifelong Star Wars fan who's been able to enjoy all the canon material, even if some of it is objectively inferior *cough* sand *cough*. I mention the animated series a couple of times here, and I adore them, but totally respect not being invested enough to get into them. Contention and Themes - life is contradictory. I totally agree with you on Failure being the central theme - Rian said on the Filmslash podcast that his approach to the 2nd act of this trilogy had to be 'what is the hardest thing for these characters to hear/experience/etc' (paraphrased) so that ties in really nicely - they're all confronted with the most difficult thing they as people could face, and, like real people, they fail spectacularly at first. Just recently I've started thinking that the contention (if that word can be meaningfully separated from 'theme') is essentially that life is contradictory (I'm not happy with this phrasing but I can't think of a better one). Johnson has managed to build a film where each character's 'thesis' has a valid antithesis. Poe learns from Leia and Holdo the pitfalls of heroism but Holdo ends up playing the role of a capital 'H' Hero. Luke says the Jedi are dead, and has some incredibly valid criticisms of them. (watch this space for an essay where I blame Mace Windu for literally everything, because literally everything is his fault.) But he sees from Yoda that the Jedi, flawed though they were, should always be what the next generation can grow into, not what it once was. Leia lives in hope for the whole film, but finds that the hope she had hoped for was gone. Rey IS the hero the galaxy needs because she decided she would put her life on the line to save Ben from the dark side, only to find that she's totally fucking wrong. Finn literally (figuratively) has an angel and a demon on his shoulders for the first two acts! Every lesson the film teaches, apart from that failure is inevitable and valuable, is also shown to have wriggle room, to be a lesson learned in a vast galaxy where everything is complicated and nothing is set in stone, and I think this lack of absolutism is really wonderful and allows the film to be so much more complex than it would be otherwise. Lucas and The Force Just a minor point, but when you were pointing out how someone needs to show Lucas that scene describing the Force, a). You're totally fucking right b). That is pretty much how Lucas has approached the Force in every piece of work EXCEPT THE PREQUELS BECAUSEWHYNOT. The way they go about treating the Force as this permeating cycle of action and reaction in life and death has been done incredibly well in The Clone Wars and Rebels (Clone Wars being 54 hours of Lucas's work). All this to say that Lucas understands the Force perfectly well, the man just cannot express himself clearly to save his own life - geniuses like Rian Johnson and Dave Filoni (supervising director of CW and Rebels) need to be there to take Lucas's ideas and translate them into something meaningful and powerful, I think. The Fan Response and Counterarguments Every writing decision in this film was perfect. It has structure that could arouse an architect. I see why people got hooked on JJ's setups, but I was totally disinterested by all of them, because they all seemed to lead to dull, easy answers. Rey is some kind of royalty. Snoke is Palpatine 2.0. Phasma is mean® . Rian answered them so perfectly by being so wonderfully and appropriately subversive. Snoke was trying so much to be just like Palpatine, to the point that theatrically was his most powerful tool. So of course you answer than by burning down his curtains. Phasma was a shiny bully and nothing more, and like all bullies, she goes down on the first hit. These characters were dull right up to their death, and were made wonderful and interesting because of how they failed to survive. How could Rey possibly be related to any main character without compromising those characters! And what could that achieve? Oh, she's a Kenobi? What does she do with that information? How does it affect her? She's a lost, isolated person, "No one", who now has an easy way out by attaching herself to someone else's legacy, rather than struggling and accepting the value of her own identity and her found family. My personal interpretation is that there are two instances where Holdo was about to tell Poe the plan, before Poe screws it up, though I understand if people decide not to take this interpretation. The first is just before Poe loses it and accuses her of being a traitor, and the second is given by 3PO saying on the bridge to Poe that Holdo was looking for him after their fight. Holdo has so many reasons to not reveal the plan, too. First, she sees that Poe needs to learn a lesson and withholding information from him is a way to achieve this. Second, because Rose and Finn don't go to Holdo, the Resistance don't know how they're being tracked. They think that it might be radically new tech, but they really don't know. So making it public knowledge that everyone's about to jump onto some unshielded space buses and fly them to a salt mine is not, tactically speaking, a great idea. If there's a mole (which Leia may not have suspected, but Holdo has every right to) then getting them onto one of the unshielded buses before they know what's happening is a great way to stop them from telling the First Order what's going down. I've seen some people use 'bathos' as some vague nonspecific criticism, but if people could quit throwing around 2 dollar words they learned in a video essay and actually watch the damn film that would be great - no moment is undercut that deserves the power and tension built up for it. Leia is proven here to not just be a princess or a general, but also an angel, and I love and adore her. So many people seem to have criticisms of the science in the movie (what? why? why would you...?) but don't actually understand what they're saying. Not understanding Newton's first law or the difference between acceleration and velocity are not a good starting point for criticising motion in space. My Minor Gripes Your points about the direction for Canto Bight were spot on, I think. A really effective comparison might be that we only see the Mos Eisley Cantina patrons when Luke walks in, so his amazement is ours. In TLJ, we start seeing the aliens before Finn and Rose have even landed, so our perspective ends up being disconnected from theirs straight away, and a few other decisions (location shots etc) help reinforce this, which I think is the key issue with Canto Bight, everything else that happened there storytelling wise was great. My other issue with Canto Bight is a picky fan thing, which is that ZERO classic aliens show up. This is a trend started in TFA and wasn't prevalent in Rogue One, but looks like it could be in Solo. I love that the creature shop gets to stretch their creative muscles, but the disconnect from the alien aesthetics that we had in the OT and ST starts to pull at the seams of the world building. My issues with the production design of the film continue with some of the ships - I adored the Raddus, the Supremacy, and the Starfortress bombers, but I thought the Dreadnaught was terribly ugly. It was way too grebelled, and had odd lighting effects to the point that it looked like a Star Destroyer that had evolved in a totally different sci-fi universe. Similar issues with the Resistance's ancillary ships - bilateral symmetry in ship design has always been a mainstay of the Star Wars aesthetic and I felt that they pushed too far past my invisible, subjective, personal limit on that front. Lastly, I don't mind that Ackbar died (he says through 4 month old tears) but I just wish he'd been able to have one last act, some quick clever tactical move, before he got turned into calamari rings. Overall This movie was fundamentally brilliant. I loved every moment of it, and watching it is a beautiful experience. The people who whinge about the film because they never let themselves actually watch it, they just went in with a dull and derivative checklist of what they wanted to see and discounted everything else, need to stop thinking it they speak for all fans. Just because you love something doesn't mean you own it, just because you think you understand how something's gonna go, doesn't mean it will.

I also loved the film. Just an enjoyable movie through and through!

Owen Reid

For someone who usually agrees with Dan on most things I can’t agree with him on this. For me The Last Jedi was such disappointment, it was a film that should have been made to kick off a fresh start. The force awakens I quite like it was similar enough to A New Hope to give enough fans nostalgia but also allowed enough time to introduce new characters that could take over as the leads. I hated TLJ from the moment Luke threw the lightsaber over his head. That moment almost made me walk out of the cinema, that moment was built up at the end of TFA so much that it should have been a massive moment but instead it was tossed aside as a cheap joke. Remember this lightsaber was originally Anakin’s, it was the lightsaber that he used through most of his adult like and really is all that remains of the time before he was Vader. That lightsaber was used to murder children in cold blood, was there at the beginning of Anakin’s fall to the dark side and the start of Luke’s journey to becoming a Jedi. This is the lightsaber that Obi-wan gave to Luke when he started his training and at the time was Luke’s only link to his father. It’s the lightsaber that Luke trained with. The same lightsaber he used when he failed his test in the Force cave on Dagogah. The same lightsaber he used when he lost his hand, when he found out Vader was his father. It is the symbol of him turning from an ignorant child basically into a man when he lost it in Cloud City to Vader because he didn’t finish his training with Yoda. The last time he saw this lightsaber was in cloud city and it was lost Luke probably presumed forever and now he is being handed this MASSIVE symbol of his previous life back to him by a stranger on a planet that’s so far away he though no one would find him. This moment should be HUGE, EMOTIONAL, BREATHTAKING and….. it’s used as a joke it may be like Dan said a way of twisting the audience’s expectations, but as a MASSIVE fan of Star Wars it’s an INSULT. Any emotion from Luke would have been appropriate even if he didn’t want it a reaction of fear or anger would have really worked. Luke throwing it back at Ray shouting where did she get it or even dropping it on the floor and recoiling from it would have worked but NO casually throwing it over his shoulder I mean WHAT. That moment remined me of Lord Of The Rings when Bilbo sees that Frodo has the ring and lunges for it, it’s a connection that shows it’s important to Bilbo and still affects him imagine if Bilbo had taken the ring and just thrown it on the floor. It was a symbol of the connection between the original movies and the new ones and to see it being used like that by someone who should have such a connection to it was heart-breaking and proved to me that the new writers have no idea how to respect the original. It made me loose all faith of having another good Star Wars main series movie. And that’s just the one part of the movie there was plenty more I hated in it like the massive plot hole of between Holdo and Poe that would have changed the end of the movie if only she had told Poe what the plan was when he asked. Or Finn and Rose out of nowhere love story. Or the side quest in the film. Or Leia’s Superman moment I mean WTF. Or the connection between Ray and Kylo that we were told was Snoke’s doing but after he is killed at the end of the film they still have the connection so was it Snoke or not? Or even who Snoke was. Or how Snoke didn’t know Kylo was betraying him when we were told he was one of the most powerful dark side users of all time. Or ray’s parents. Or admiral Ackbars death that was glossed over, why wasn’t he given the task of blowing up the empires fleet. Or the lightspeed slam from the Raddus where the fuck did that come from why hasn’t that tactic been used before it seemed pretty effective. Anyway rant over what do people think of my thoughts.

This is a test of how many charaters im allowed wow this is alot i dont think its going to sto

Will you ever play Psychonauts again? I know you have said that you cannot add any more comedy to it, but I would love to see you play what you have once called one of your favourite games.

Ashvin Scott

"when filming a story logic often takes 2nd place" Irvin Kershner, Director of Empire Strikes Back.

As someone who utterly hated the Last Jedi and The Force Awakens, I really can't agree with your opinion of the film. These movies are just far too stupid to be enjoyable anymore and they aren't telling stories worthy of being told. Most people who hate these film aren't annoyed by failure of the characters, but because of their total incompetence. There is no logical way for most of them to have achieved their positions of power with their shown levels of competence. Maybe the entire universe is just full of lead contamination that makes everyone an idiot. I just like movies to survive more than 2 seconds of scrutiny before falling utterly apart. Like why didn't the First order send more than 3 tie fighters to attack the fleeing ships, or jump a single star destroyer in front of them. And why didn't the resistance send their transports down far earlier if they had cloaks and weren't supposed to be spotted... The entire plot just makes no sense, and at this point I don't see any reason to ever see another star wars movie than peer pressure.

fetchbeer

I don't know Bb8 succeeds a lot

Hyperspace was established to not be a different dimension in A New Hope also the creator behind HISHE said he liked the film in his proper review. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdl4pAtno4" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdl4pAtno4</a> That how it should have ended video was a parody which was 1/3 covering genuine complaints 2/3 mocking stupid complaints from the fandom.

Hope you get better NOW! IMMEDIATLY

Chewing_Soup

I think that the real make or break was how into star wars you are. If you read all the books games TV shows etc then it was a let down as a fare bit was different from previous cannon making it worthless notable the ship hyperspace jump. Bigger nerds than me can tell you about how hyper space is a different dimension so it could never have happened but i can't be bothered. The only other major complaint is that for them to really break away from the originals would to have Ray agree to go with Kilo which would have made a huge twist. Also I feel its a bit anticlimactic to show how Luke survived by not actually being there only for him to evaporate at the end. The only other thing is i suggest you with this vid by HISHE. I really made me think how the film could have been done better. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ&amp;ab_channel=HowItShouldHaveEnded" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ&amp;ab_channel=HowItShouldHaveEnded</a>

Tim Wiles

My general opinion of the movie is just 'meh', there the second half is much better than the first half but they both level out for me. My biggest problem is that the first half of the movie excluding Rey's story just feels like a waste of time. We spend all this time in their story-lines and they just resolve themselves; Poe tries to take over to save the resistance but he fails, and the resisitance is saved anyway; Finn and Rose try to find a way to disable the First Order and they fail, but the First Order is disabled anyway. I get what you say about failure but I wouldn't give that as a positive, it's not an enjoyable experience. I liked Rey and Luke's and Rey and Kylo's story-lines, and things like the hyperspace ram, Rey and Kylo fighting and Luke and Kylo fighting were cool. I have a feeling that this movie will lead into the next and when we've seen what happens it will make this one better like "oh that's why you did that"

Narmatonia

I loved this movie. Just bought it last night to watch again, since I haven't seen it since the theater, but you're confirming/supporting thoughts I had at the time. (I've also only seen the movies, although I bowed out of the prequels after the first.) Like you said, they've clearly established they need a new path, and that's not just Rey not being a Skywalker. The "light vs dark in the universe as a whole" philosophy does not work. Luke left all alone, semi-taught master of this all-or-nothing philosophy, was going to fail. Rey seems well on her way to establishing that there needs to be a balance of light and dark within each person, with a lean towards one side or the other sometimes because that happens and it isn't the end of the world when it does. Kylo is unintentionally demonstrating the same, he's been and is being torn apart by trying to be only one thing as two masters have told him he must be, so he's swung wildly to the extremes. And Rose and Finn and Poe realize/learn that it's about, yes, hope, having it and inspiring it. Put those together and I felt like I was back at the end of Buffy, where it turns out the strength is in everyone. I mean, maybe that's not where they'll go with the next one, but I'm excited to find out. Anyway, also, take care of yourself!

Diane Frank

I loved the Last Jedi. The hyperspace ramming scene was my favorite moviegoing experience. When that happened, everyone in the cinema was dead silent and awestruck, left only with those beautiful visuals on screen. Just thinking about it gives me chills. The only thing I would've changed about the movie would be to have Luke's island not have the caretakers on them. It would've been much better to have it be uninhabited and have Luke completely isolated. Other than that, I agree with your thoughts about the movie. Fun fact you didn't mention about the fight between Kylo and Luke: Luke never kicks up any dust and he uses the Lightsaber that was snapped in half from earlier, so I knew right away that something was up.

Arcade Cat

I couldn’t agree with you more dan, and my god hope you get better soon 👍🏽

I loved it for being more than just another Star Wars film. I loved TFA but at times i felt like it's a little too alike the original trilogy. A lot of fans think Luke should've been a hero throughout the entire film. That would've been stale and pretty dull, we've had 3 of those films already. It's a complete change for Star Wars which it was in need of, I hope JJ keeps up that trend.

I really liked The Last Jedi. I can understand where some of the complaints come from, and personally wasn't sold on the casino scene and a lot of Finn's story in this. But with your interpretation about it being about failure, almost bringing the heroes and villains down a peg, because they're so busy acting out the same stupid cycle and making the same mistakes, I think I can maybe give those scenes some more slack. A little detail I loved that doesn't get mentioned much is in Kylo's speech to Rey after killing Snoke (i think?) where he says they "can rule together and bring order to the galaxy". I think it's a beautiful little nod to Vader's speech to Luke after he cut off his hand. Sort of continuing Kylo's story of being a Vader wannabee, and the new film's theme of the bad guys as a whole just being wannabees who don't understand what they're copying

I am glad to see that someone who I know understands writing and characters review the film properly. I feel like every star wars fan thinks they're a profession critic sighting 1 dimensional characters and derivative story telling in thier review and so many people preaching this online that I even started to doubt my own opinion. I think the people who grew up on star wars and became movie makers like rian and jj got much more from them than most star wars fans and ultimately the rotten tomatoes scores show that it's a movie smarter than it's audience. However i didn't love the whole film i thought the scene where rose saved finn and said her line about saving what we love made her look shallow because finn was trying to save the resistance already she just chose him over them thoughts?

What I like about the Star Wars franchise overall is the attention to detail. For example, in this movie on the bombs dropped on the dreadnought at the start, there were messages written in Aurebesh. And one of them says "Han says hi" and to me that's just fucking amazing. I loved The Last Jedi for all the reasons you said, and especially because this movie is about failure and hope. "Rebellions are build on hope" - a quote from slightly worse movie, Rogue One. I just can't wait for the next movie, I don't usually get so excited for upcoming movies, but this franchise deserves a special exception.

Filip 'PhilTheDead' Kwasniewski

Interesting hearing your views. Don't really have anything to add myself, but I hope you get well soon.

Matt Eden

I really dislike the prequels, George Lucas and his Midi-chlorian BS doesn't work for me. I remember standing in a long line of people to see the first Star Wars film at the cinema in 1977, I am a Star Wars fan (I think I saw all of the original trilogy in the cinema). I must admit I wasn't a fan of the new films but after watching The Force Awakens a couple of times it did grow on me (and I am a big Daisy Ridley fan). I like The Last Jedi and I'm now waiting to see where the story goes next.

Mark Caswell

Finn's entire arc could be taken out and the movie would only get better. It doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't develop his character (except giving him a love interest for no real reason (I loved Kelly Tran (Rose) but I don't like how they wrote her character's love for Finn, seriously comes from nowhere.)

Xelias

I'm still listening through the podcast, but I wanted to share my opinion : While I really enjoyed this way more than the previous two disney Star Wars, (mostly because it took risk and tried to be something different rather than just going through the motions of what you'd expect.) I do find that the movie's pacing is all over the place. Finn's entire arc within that movie could be taken out and the movie would only get better. There is NO character building, NO interesting scenes and nothing progresses through Finn's actions, It's just a succession of Deux ex-machina (in the form of BB8) that doesn't progress the plot. Also, I'm not a big fan of Leila's mary poppins scene... They could have easily edited her out, it was a great death scene, incredibly well acted look on her face, and they they bring her back for no reason, the rest of the movie doesn't need her and they'll need to "Kill her" off screen for the next film. It felt really weird when watching the movie. Overall, I liked this way more than 7 and Rogue one (hugh)

Xelias

You say you don't know where the next film is going, I walked out of the film with my family and we all said it needed to be set around 10 - 15 years in the future when the kid at the end has become a young adult (16+) who you follow the story of, while the main characters have developed off screen during that time. What are your thoughts?

MJ

see the reason with all the hate is jj abrams mystery box bullshit ep 7 is just jj going ooooh snoke , ooooh rey's parents whats it all mean mystery, intrigue .with no plan of what to do with it . then rian johnson came in going fuck the mystery lets make the characters interesting wihich fucks off most hard core star wars fans because they love twists ,secrets ,hidden lore trying to guess whats going to happen next

ben

Well I guess I better watch the movie to get when I get home. Can't listen to this until then. ☹️

CodingEntity

I have to say I really didn’t like The Last Jedi but it didn’t really know why until I listened to your podcast about it. It’s definitely because while it was a great movie it just wasn’t what I wanted out of a Star Wars movie. Since you made the suggestion that the underlying theme of the movie was failure it all makes a lot more sense. It makes me want to give the film another chance with this new mindset about it. I really appreciate your take on this as it let me see the film in a whole new light.

Michael Simmons

I loved the movie. I love Kylo and Rey and their conflict. Kylos conflict with the light and dark side. And him killing Snoke was just brilliant. And I love that Rey is a nobody and not a Skywalker/Solo/Kenobi. And I love Luke in this movie. It is just a great end to his arc. I only had a few gripes with the movie. The space jesus Leia scene. Stretching out your hand and moving rocks seems believable. Waving your hand and influencing somebodies mind is also good. But surviving space just seems a bit... silly. I didn't like the casino scenes that much mainly because it did not feel that alien. It seemed like it could have been on earth.

Nicholas Robinson

I also don't see why Vice Admiral Holdo just couldn't explain not revealing her plan for the rebel fleet.

Alex

It was nice to hear you take on it, much more positive than mine. For me it just felt a little disrespectful and alienating. I like the constant failures but I couldn't justify so many things like Leia's surviving space (which could have been a nice way to remove the need for Carrie Fisher).

Alex

I shall be watching that soon!

Nerd³

DJ did what was easy rather than what was right. He decides that he's free to do whatever because both sides do "bad things", regardless of context. Sure, he might walk away consequence free, but nobody watching the film would want to be him. Nobody sides with him. His failure is his own character.

Nerd³

The film addressed that with a single line. "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Nerd³

What did you think about, in a franchise that's become shorthand for clear cut good against evil, and in a film about failure, the one character to really succeed is the morally ambiguous character? I mean DJ starts the film in jail and ends it free and with a substantial financial reward and a ship, and what does he loose along the way? The respect of (from his perspective) some fools about to die.

Tom Chaney

I have loved this film ever since the midnight premiere and I think films shouldn’t be about “ohhhhh this is a plot hole, this is WRONG, they did that, but it’s not what I had thought would happen so I don’t like it”. I had my list of things I would have loved to see in the cinema, none of that happened and now I look back at that list and chuckle because none of it comes close to what they did in the actual film and I’m okay with that. I am honestly very very very excited for the Rian Johnson trilogy. Also, have you seen the documentary in the bonus features, The Director And The Jedi? Made me appreciate Johnson even more.

Jan-Philipp Voss

While I liked the movie overall I can't ignore the many narrative flaws it has. I'm fine with twists in a movie but when every single plot line from the previous film is a twist then it makes everything set up less effective. For example the scene at the end of episode 7 with Rey and Luke on the cliff is now ruined because we know it just ends up in a joke of Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder. Again liked the film overall but I hate the fact it completely ignored everything from the previous film.

Josh Ikin

Thankyou Dan! You've voiced almost exactly what I thought about the film, I explained Leia's moving through space in the same way, with instinctual force use.

James Macleod

Dan, you need to talk more about movies! This was really illuminating! I usually just enjoy the movie, or not... and usually do not go deeply into them, so the view of someone who knows something about writing is quite interesting.

Piotr Szczygielski

All filmmaking is manipulation. That's the point of it. :p I think that video only has one real MASSIVE plot hole mentioned...

Nerd³

I really liked the movie on an emotional level. Much more emotion than any other Star Wars movie, in my opinion. Maybe a little manipulative on the part of the filmmakers, but it worked really well. Having said that... there were certainly some plot holes. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_of2OsZ0E8" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_of2OsZ0E8</a>

canis39

Sweet! Extra Podcast!

Isaac Rodriguez

Woo! Waiting for the bus again and got another podcast. Thanks Dan