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Not gonna lie after Thunder Saga I've come to appreciate where Polites was taken from us so soon since we know Ody would've had to choose himself over the crew which would've meant Polites would've maybe died here too? So glad our boy knew Ody when he was kind meanwhile Eurylochus had to die once Ody became a monster. This song is so epic love Zeus so much here what a great voice And I 100% agree with you about the light Polites brings. We need kind people like him in this world. Maybe the world would've been much kinder if we had more people like him. And it's a funny thing but if you ever wanna see an alternate reality where Polites lives I say read a good fanfiction haha that's where I go for all my fix-it needs but yea I'm also angry too I'll love Polites forever & I'll carry that light of his for the rest of Epic & in my life because kindness is brave indeed.

Zakksu

2024-07-22 18:02:08 +0000 UTC

I think the "we" only applies to him and his family. As it always has.

Kori

2024-07-12 09:35:41 +0000 UTC

Mortius got a permit. Talk to him and see how he did it

Cindy Bariani

2024-07-11 04:15:41 +0000 UTC

so we fulfilled some of the prophets tellings. a song of past romance: sirens a sacrifice of man: scylla portrayals of betrayal: mutiny a brothers final stand: thunder bringer

tristan

2024-07-09 05:55:21 +0000 UTC

He can't watch the stream

Phoenix Mackenzie

2024-07-06 12:17:20 +0000 UTC

I think you should, and hope you will (probably with Mortius hehe), loot at the livestream of Jorge when revealing the Thunder Saga (and the new Troy and Cyclop saga), beacause there is some animation for 4 of the 5 songs, and i think it will answer to some of your questions especially on the last 3. And since it is a collaboration between Jorge and those artists, it is i think "canon" in EPIC. By the way, great react, i love it, your reactions are great !

Endelia Chantebois

2024-07-05 20:43:41 +0000 UTC

I also like the idea of Zeus singing of him basically having sex with pride to show Odysseus crew how F they are and how he will F them so hard

Mager

2024-07-05 19:26:20 +0000 UTC

I’ve found 13 times he became the profit in act 1

Geveryging

2024-07-05 16:36:17 +0000 UTC

casper is the profit confirmed

Kirru

2024-07-05 16:35:34 +0000 UTC

This one absolutely on purpose, theirs no way they didn't connect the dots, eury was done with odys bs and said fk it, also the first time that was Ody that killed the sheep

Phoenix Mackenzie

2024-07-05 09:39:11 +0000 UTC

I’m still not over Odysseus saying “my brothers… why?” as if he didn’t basically confirm that he sacrificed crew members AND said the line “I will not let you get in my way” to his right-hand man, like my guy you’re so smart what were you expecting 😭

Mal

2024-07-05 09:37:52 +0000 UTC

I mean, in The Odyssey, Odysseus is told 2 options on how to get home AND told that 6 of his men will die if he chooses Scylla, and after weighing the options he chooses Scylla anyway. So technically he does kill them by making that choice, but yeah definitely doesn’t mark the men that he’s sacrificing

Mal

2024-07-05 09:28:32 +0000 UTC

The crew essiantly does the same thing in the Odyssey the only thing that changes is that Zeus didn’t give Odysseus a choice to sacrifice himself for them there he just killed them

Leonidas

2024-07-05 07:15:56 +0000 UTC

Yeah but he said he was becoming a monster "so we all don't die" and that quickly turned out to be a royal we...

draeonic 🪼

2024-07-05 06:21:14 +0000 UTC

Well, Athena has a spear and Ares is the god of war/weapons and then Hephaestus is the god of weapon-making

Leo1235_812

2024-07-05 06:04:42 +0000 UTC

well he did say that was going to become a monster and now his actions are monstrous so he's living up to what he said

lady lexi

2024-07-05 05:46:08 +0000 UTC

Casper: Eurylochus must die! Eurylochus dies Casper: NANI!?

Mager

2024-07-05 04:07:20 +0000 UTC

Essentially, Zeus is known as a womanizer, someone who often chases women down and doesn't take no for an answer. So in this case, he's using feminine pronouns for Pride to describe how he's 'undressing' or exposing Odysseus' prideful attitude and vision of himself as a King and Captain and what his 'true nature' actually 'conceals' - that he's not defending his crew above all, even when that's his excuse - it's all about his selfish desire to get home and who will help him get there. And when the chips are down, he will sacrifice anything and anyone to get there.

Kristina Hambleton

2024-07-04 23:16:47 +0000 UTC

It also makes it sadder which might be controversial but in this version the crew essentially commits suicide

Maggie Curtin

2024-07-04 23:01:53 +0000 UTC

So this act really makes Odysseus way worst then he was in the Odyssey lolz in the Odyssey Odysseus just goes past the sirens and dosent kill them, he doesn’t sacrifice 6 men to scylla he just goes there and they die trying to get past her and so never has a fight with Eurylochos, when they do get on the island of Helios Eurylochos does disobey Odysseus and kill the cattle and then Zeus in return kills the crew but he never gave Odysseus any choice to save either himself or the crew he just did it

Leonidas

2024-07-04 21:24:35 +0000 UTC

Odysseus went down with the ship when the rest of his crew died but he survived and is just floating in the water among the wreckage (as shown in the trailer)

Jacob Minger

2024-07-04 20:28:30 +0000 UTC

The classic meaning of Epic is "a story". The Odyssey is an epic. /The/ epic, as many would say.

Alcaria Swain

2024-07-04 19:28:07 +0000 UTC

As others have said, Zeus is not referring to any goddess of pride, but to Odysseus' pride, specifically his pride as a king. A king is supposed to serve and protect his people. Sacrificing himself on their behalf is expected. But Zeus is here to undress Odysseus' pride, exposing to both his crew and to himself exactly who he has become. Someone willing to sacrifice all his bonds to obtain his desire. Odysseus is humbled here and forced to accept himself. Odysseus isn't afraid of dying. He's afraid of not seeing Penelope and Telemachus again. So his selfishness here can't be explained by cowardice. He's making a deliberate decision to become colder.

Alcaria Swain

2024-07-04 19:17:37 +0000 UTC

I just finished the ocean saga thing and have about 6 times he became a profit

Geveryging

2024-07-04 18:18:33 +0000 UTC

Odysseus: kills 6 of the crew The crew: stabs him when he is about to kill another one of the crew Odysseus:shocked pikachu face

Geveryging

2024-07-04 18:16:43 +0000 UTC

The use of feminine pronouns is an extended metaphor!! Zues is known in mythos to take advantage of women, hence, the strange sexual nature of the lyrics (undress her, pressure). In this case the "pride" that is being referred to as "she" is Odyussues's pride! Plus. The greeks and specifically Zues were patriarchal so likely has something to do with that "damsel in distress". He is here to teach Odyussues that his pride is going to be broken/humbled. (if this make any sense)

BlueBoy

2024-07-04 18:06:55 +0000 UTC

He knew that Zeus was in the song and that’s soo impossible he must be the profit

Geveryging

2024-07-04 17:58:15 +0000 UTC

notice how zeus just monologues til after the first chorus, because hes so high and mighty he doesnt even acknowledge them at first

jayden_arsonew

2024-07-04 17:46:44 +0000 UTC

He might have called it EPIC because the original poems were called EPICs. Like Homer’s EPICs, which are the Iliad and Odyssey.

MildlyPerturbed

2024-07-04 16:47:20 +0000 UTC

There is currently no Jorge-approved way of watching the livestream but as soon as the animatics come out, I'll check them out

CF Reacts

2024-07-04 16:42:51 +0000 UTC

its like reverse Hamlet

CF Reacts

2024-07-04 16:42:19 +0000 UTC

In the livestream, there was an animatic where Odysseus points to the crew and chooses them to die. The crew dies, and Odysseus falls into the water with them.

MildlyPerturbed

2024-07-04 16:36:09 +0000 UTC

Eurylochus and the crew: stabs Odysseus. Odysseus: chooses to let Zeus kill the crew. Eurylochus and the crew: surprised pikachu face.

ShadowFox1412

2024-07-04 16:03:25 +0000 UTC

I truly love how the entire motif of Spaky Hades is a Danger motif. He truly is the god not to mess with, and the crew had to go and mess with him. I hate to say it, but that they deserved their fate.

Elijah

2024-07-04 15:19:31 +0000 UTC

The entire first verse is describing Zeus's entire personality, which is split into two things, infidelity and justice. Zeus is infamous for repeated sleeping around with women other than his wife, both with and without consent, hence the damsel in distress analogy. Which covers the infidelity, but with justice, Zeus carries himself on being a righteous judge, jury, and executioner bringing judgment to all he deems to deserve it. The pride he is referring to in this instance specifically, is Odysseus. He knows what Odysseus is going to choose between himself and his crew to live despite not wanting to confess, but he applies all the pressure and bring his pride through the wringer until her true nature is revealed. Which is why Odysseus doesn't want to be forced to choose, especially now at his lowest point in the show, he and Zeus both know he is going to choose Penelope. Zeus just wanted him to say it while passing judgement. The song does enough of a job and you can probably guess, but yes Odysseus sentences the crew to fall to Zeus. Which Zeus does by destroying the entire ship. The piano at the end is Odysseus floating in the open ocean surrounded by the bodies, the sole survivor.

Ryan Torres

2024-07-04 15:07:51 +0000 UTC

Hey, Casper. First, I wanted to say that I love your reactions and your Epic breakdowns are my favorite along with Mortius and I'm super excited for OAR. I wanted to say in regards to Penelope's part and the Just a Man choir, I personally believe they are both summoned by Zeus himself to convince Odysseus even further to turn on his men. Like Zeus already knows Ody's heart is already weak but he wanted to give him that one final push to get him to turn. That is how I interpret that part in my head.

D'artanyan Knowles

2024-07-04 14:55:52 +0000 UTC

You've definitely gotta watch some of the animatics that were on the livestream. It made this song hit me straight in the feels.

Elijah

2024-07-04 14:39:01 +0000 UTC

Now that they would no longer be spoilers for you, some, not all, of the vocals in no longer you are "Siren song" "Scylla throught" "Mutiny" "Thunder bolt" And that is all Jorge has revealed Also Zues said "pride is a dansial in distress" this is the reason for the feminine pronouns. And it boils down to Zues' actions around women.

Chase Elmquist

2024-07-04 14:30:55 +0000 UTC

"I said Eurylochus is going to die in Act II" at last I can say this: IT'S THE ODYSSEE. ODYSSEUS IS THE LAST SURVIVOR, POLITES AND EURYLOCHUS WERE ALWAYS GOING TO DIE (and my man Perimedes, RIP 😔)

draeonic 🪼

2024-07-04 14:26:27 +0000 UTC

This song is ROUGH. Mentally, Odysseus is the lowest he’s been so far, and at the end of it all he’s completely alone. Worst of all, it’s his own fault- and he knows it. Every choice he’s made has led to this. Pride is his fatal flaw, and as we see here the only person it HASN’T been lethal to yet is… himself. Musically though it’s excellent.

TheBookWyrm

2024-07-04 14:08:56 +0000 UTC

Okay but they kinda deserved it- you'd think after the first time they WOULDNT KILL A GODS PET. Now, both of Oddys best friends were killed because of them killing a gods pet- only 1 of them actually deserving it (and it isn't polities) Also I love how in the FIRST song its ZEUS who says "the blood on your hands is something you won't loose, all you can choose is whose." At first, it was either his life or the baby's. Now, it once again is his life or his MENS. Zeus has both times given Oddy a choice and each time he's chosen HIMSELF.

AceOfTheDeck

2024-07-04 14:02:24 +0000 UTC

I think it's all the crew that he sentences to death

Liz Lilliman

2024-07-04 13:57:42 +0000 UTC

The whole song is a damn danger motif, just like Ruthlessness I feel The eyebrow raise at "Tell me" yap. Lukes voice is stunning "Captain?" "I have to see her." "But we'll die." "I know." PURE HEARTBREAK!!!!!!!!! As someone else said the "her" is a personification of the pride that caused the crew to slaughter the cow. It might be because of the goddess of pride that he associates pride with femininity but it also makes sense to just assume because it's Zeus he sees something to look down upon/something he can controll and punish as something female. Danger motif on the strings, yeah I agree! Sounds like it! Oh it would absolutely be amazing to think about what would've happened had Polites survived. Having someone so pure and loving of the world around could've really helped. Maybe even with Poseidon?

Michelle Schaefer

2024-07-04 13:33:02 +0000 UTC

He uses feminine pronouns because he describes Odysseus pride as a demsel in distrace, and when he puts enough pressure the pride's "true nature" is revealed

luplop

2024-07-04 13:10:57 +0000 UTC

I beggg you! To see the live jorge made for this saga! It has animatics and explains what's happening!

luplop

2024-07-04 13:07:32 +0000 UTC

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THUNDER BRINGER [UNEDTIED]

Comments

I think the "we" only applies to him and his family. As it always has.

Mortius got a permit. Talk to him and see how he did it

so we fulfilled some of the prophets tellings. a song of past romance: sirens a sacrifice of man: scylla portrayals of betrayal: mutiny a brothers final stand: thunder bringer

He can't watch the stream

I also like the idea of Zeus singing of him basically having sex with pride to show Odysseus crew how F they are and how he will F them so hard

I’ve found 13 times he became the profit in act 1

casper is the profit confirmed

This one absolutely on purpose, theirs no way they didn't connect the dots, eury was done with odys bs and said fk it, also the first time that was Ody that killed the sheep

I’m still not over Odysseus saying “my brothers… why?” as if he didn’t basically confirm that he sacrificed crew members AND said the line “I will not let you get in my way” to his right-hand man, like my guy you’re so smart what were you expecting 😭

The crew essiantly does the same thing in the Odyssey the only thing that changes is that Zeus didn’t give Odysseus a choice to sacrifice himself for them there he just killed them

Yeah but he said he was becoming a monster "so we all don't die" and that quickly turned out to be a royal we...

Well, Athena has a spear and Ares is the god of war/weapons and then Hephaestus is the god of weapon-making

well he did say that was going to become a monster and now his actions are monstrous so he's living up to what he said

Casper: Eurylochus must die! *Eurylochus dies* Casper: NANI!?

It also makes it sadder which might be controversial but in this version the crew essentially commits suicide

Odysseus went down with the ship when the rest of his crew died but he survived and is just floating in the water among the wreckage (as shown in the trailer)

The classic meaning of Epic is "a story". The Odyssey is an epic. /The/ epic, as many would say.

I just finished the ocean saga thing and have about 6 times he became a profit

Odysseus: kills 6 of the crew The crew: stabs him when he is about to kill another one of the crew Odysseus:shocked pikachu face

He knew that Zeus was in the song and that’s soo impossible he must be the profit

notice how zeus just monologues til after the first chorus, because hes so high and mighty he doesnt even acknowledge them at first

He might have called it EPIC because the original poems were called EPICs. Like Homer’s EPICs, which are the Iliad and Odyssey.

There is currently no Jorge-approved way of watching the livestream but as soon as the animatics come out, I'll check them out

its like reverse Hamlet

In the livestream, there was an animatic where Odysseus points to the crew and chooses them to die. The crew dies, and Odysseus falls into the water with them.

Eurylochus and the crew: stabs Odysseus. Odysseus: chooses to let Zeus kill the crew. Eurylochus and the crew: surprised pikachu face.

I truly love how the entire motif of Spaky Hades is a Danger motif. He truly is the god not to mess with, and the crew had to go and mess with him. I hate to say it, but that they deserved their fate.

You've definitely gotta watch some of the animatics that were on the livestream. It made this song hit me straight in the feels.

"I said Eurylochus is going to die in Act II" at last I can say this: IT'S THE ODYSSEE. ODYSSEUS IS THE LAST SURVIVOR, POLITES AND EURYLOCHUS WERE ALWAYS GOING TO DIE (and my man Perimedes, RIP 😔)

I think it's all the crew that he sentences to death

He uses feminine pronouns because he describes Odysseus pride as a demsel in distrace, and when he puts enough pressure the pride's "true nature" is revealed

I beggg you! To see the live jorge made for this saga! It has animatics and explains what's happening!

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Casper: Eurylochus must die! Eurylochus dies Casper: NANI!?