104: Ranting and Rating
Added 2024-12-12 22:02:28 +0000 UTCTune in to a lively debate on the merits (if there are any) of ratings and reviews of art. Or don't, what the hell do I care! Well, actually, it'd be nice if you did. Thank you. Please. Thank you.
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unpaused and remembered some points- awstens also right that effort should absolutely be considered! ex art criticism and teaching: not getting a still life completely proportional on one side, but clearly trying hard and using all available techniques should equal a reasonably good grade. but travis is equally right that it cant all be “a for effort” based. like in terms of objective ratings with sugar fish, id compare it to my reviews on my local small town chinese food place vs the one i had in ny. both were really good! both were authentic (family owned and operated by chinese families, offering traditional chinese and american chinese foods) but mine does their general chicken with more sauce and is spicier which i prefer, so it won. comparing the same local place to other more local places- a non chinese owned restaurant of the same franchise an hour away is worse quality to me, as it lacks the same flavors/textures and authenticity in the foods i tried (like their noodles were rounded not flat etc.) a different one an hour in the other direction, different chain (?), but also asian owned, has general chicken thats just more watery and not nearly spicy enough so i prefer not to get it when im there. like others mentioned, this is a funny convo given what the podcast originated from. but to add onto that, you guys have talked about the fact that its often not fair to the writers to compare certain fic to some other fic or to go into them being jaded/used to some things etc
astrordinary
2024-12-28 09:21:26 +0000 UTCi am only 2/3 thru listening but had to pause (it and work) to yap before i forgot. i love this conversation and agree with different parts of both pov! as a visual artist thats been in college art classes with critique + someone who may very well become an art teacher, part of any reviewing process has both objective and subjective values assigned to it. theyre equally important, but in art critique it usually *is* stated as “i personally dont favor [x] pieces, however you followed the assignment/know your techniques/have a good grasp on anatomy” etc. in this example you will still receive some sort number/letter grade and the majority of what determines it is objective, but not all. additionally, while taste in art/music/food/service etc *is* usually subjective there are certain aspects of them that have to be studied or “mastered” etc to be deemed fit for widespread use/consumption. like with food its health and safety, with visual art its technical ability to translate reality or concepts into any given medium in a way that makes relative sense/is digestable or is appealing to the specific atmosphere its meant for, etc. numbers/stars often arent as helpful when it comes to art, due to increased subjectivity, as they are for places of business/service- and even then a good reviewer would specify (mentally or verbally) differences between objective lack of quality control vs taste. but for the sake of simplicity/broad understanding, numbers or stars can help to visually categorize an overall picture of someones feelings on/experience with [x]. this is why a lot of places or review videos have multiple star ratings for different themes. i can understand where awstens coming from with the idea that reviewers should try to be as objective as possible, and i agree. hes also right that in an ideal world people would form their own opinions, but could hear others and think critically about whether they actually align with it, but they often dont. however travis is right that much about reviews is fundamentally opinion based and going into a review should generally warrant unwritten understanding that 1) its already mainly subjective unless stated 2) you should think critically about it regardless of having the review or not. id love to hear more philosophical views from yall!!
astrordinary
2024-12-28 09:06:56 +0000 UTCWhat a great conversation about media literacy and the decline of critical thinking affecting artistry as a whole
Ria
2024-12-18 15:17:14 +0000 UTCi listen on my way to work and occasionally at the station
rai ⭐️
2024-12-18 03:23:30 +0000 UTCman idk what to tell you i am very much a firefighter and 911 dispatcher 😭
rai ⭐️
2024-12-18 03:22:57 +0000 UTCkyra????
rai ⭐️
2024-12-18 03:19:41 +0000 UTCsorry, I am not very knowledgeable about audio and mess up sometimes, my bad!!
Awsten + Travis' Slumber Party
2024-12-17 00:31:43 +0000 UTCthis is not a podcast I can listen to while I’m at work are you kidding me. I’m listening in the backseat while my parents drive us to the mall to get Christmas presents
Britt Hadaway
2024-12-14 15:40:29 +0000 UTCAwsten: I want to know why you don’t like bagels and that’s a waste of calories but you’ll have a Hawaiian roll on the podcast
Britt Hadaway
2024-12-14 15:37:31 +0000 UTCi am now listening to this episode while walking home from the doctors
taitai
2024-12-13 21:09:47 +0000 UTC“a numerical rating system is a flawed concept” being Awsten’s conclusion of this ep is sooo funny bc this whole podcast was literally created for you guys to read and numerically rate fanfics 😭😭
heather little
2024-12-13 17:13:22 +0000 UTCI listen to the podcast driving to work or during my prep period at work
Jenna
2024-12-13 11:48:06 +0000 UTCThe topic of art was topical to me with the conversations I've been having this past week+.
LightningZBolt
2024-12-13 05:18:21 +0000 UTCyou both made such good points idk which side to be on
juliana🎸
2024-12-13 04:42:45 +0000 UTCSorry for commenting so much on here, but this was such an interesting episode. I agree with awsten that too often people let reviews dictate how they feel about something and it’s a flawed system, but also agree with Travis when he said that’s not the fault of the reviewer or the creator. Don’t have a perfect solution, I just think media literacy and critical thinking needs to be implemented more. 10/10 episode
Sydney Carper
2024-12-13 01:57:37 +0000 UTCAwsten not liking bagels is so real of him (I also don’t like bagels)
Sarah ✨
2024-12-13 01:12:17 +0000 UTCI just woke up to see a new podcast episode lets go
sara 🫧
2024-12-13 00:45:44 +0000 UTCTravis I don't think you love Awsten enough
Maria
2024-12-13 00:04:36 +0000 UTCSo I finish this episode and I’ve got a good example when I had to take programming classes when I was studying for computer science most teachers were just give us an assignment and we would have to come up with the program. Sometimes we were given specific instructiont sometimes not. And in programming there are so many ways to reach a goal, but it didn’t matter if you solved the problem. Sometimes you would get graded poorly because of how it was coded even at the syntax was correct and it did what it was supposed do. Didn’t matter if we spent hours on it. Like some things are objective. Some things are subjective. Some things both.
Kaitlyn Floyd
2024-12-12 23:54:41 +0000 UTCALRIGHT BIG JOBBBB
Kyra
2024-12-12 23:31:49 +0000 UTCCANT ESCAPE YOU??? filing a restraining order
Anna Oleniczak
2024-12-12 23:26:46 +0000 UTCbringing this up in court.
ella
2024-12-12 23:25:48 +0000 UTCAs someone who works in restaurants, Awsten made a good point about people mainly leaving reviews when they have a bad experience.
Nick
2024-12-12 23:22:41 +0000 UTCI listen to ATSP Premium either driving to work or in my office at work. I work at an OB/GYN office as a surgical scheduler.
Amanda
2024-12-12 23:21:11 +0000 UTCMy uber driver in Nashville made fun of me for being on my phone the whole drive and then commented on the fact that he could have kidnapped me 🙃
Kasey G
2024-12-12 23:08:28 +0000 UTCgood for them (i guess ??) but also i'm so sorry you have to hear that all the time 😶
b
2024-12-12 23:02:03 +0000 UTCif you listened to a conversation between me and my roommate, it would sound exactly like this (she’s travis. she is so smart.)
tantrumwtrparx
2024-12-12 22:58:26 +0000 UTCWhat does the anti-number/star scale rating mean for the future of fanfic reviews on ATSP ?
b
2024-12-12 22:55:29 +0000 UTCany review is inherently personal, especially on art. sometimes you just love a shitty movie that wasn't even made like that on purpose. i don't think anything can be objectively good or bad and accepted by everyone.
pamir
2024-12-12 22:51:07 +0000 UTCyou guys have 3 seasons giving your opinions i don’t understand why this concept was so hard for him
nicole
2024-12-12 22:44:24 +0000 UTCdid y'all listen to this back? Travis is waaaaaay too quiet
Payton Smith
2024-12-12 22:42:27 +0000 UTCWhat a silly dude
Sydney Carper
2024-12-12 22:38:04 +0000 UTCidiot
Awsten + Travis' Slumber Party
2024-12-12 22:35:09 +0000 UTCi listen while sitting in my room scrolling on pinterest or something
Ava Yaughn
2024-12-12 22:32:03 +0000 UTCHow does awsten not like bread 😭
Sydney Carper
2024-12-12 22:29:48 +0000 UTCNice to mix up my day :-)
Kaitlyn Floyd
2024-12-12 22:25:58 +0000 UTCI don’t listen to the pod while driving bc too distracting, but I listen on my walks around my neighborhood usually at whatever time you upload or as soon as I’m off work
Sydney Carper
2024-12-12 22:22:16 +0000 UTCim listening to this
nicole
2024-12-12 22:14:08 +0000 UTClistening to this in the dark with headphones the way god intended
Matt
2024-12-12 22:11:25 +0000 UTCi’m the nursing home girl and yes they are fucking ALL THE TIME
Kyra
2024-12-12 22:09:33 +0000 UTCmeow meow meow
Anna Oleniczak
2024-12-12 22:09:29 +0000 UTCIm at work do you think they'll notice if I connect this to the store speakers
Lauren
2024-12-12 22:08:30 +0000 UTCListening to this on my way to Disney World xoxo
b
2024-12-12 22:07:00 +0000 UTCJust in time for christmas present wrapping
Raeghan Peterson
2024-12-12 22:06:44 +0000 UTCNice surprise for my off day
Alyssa Holdcraft
2024-12-12 22:04:42 +0000 UTCi just KNOW this is gonna b good
b
2024-12-12 22:04:24 +0000 UTCbabe wake up new episode!!! 🗣️🗣️
Matt
2024-12-12 22:04:18 +0000 UTCsecond
dakota diane
2024-12-12 22:03:37 +0000 UTC“if you care” brother you should know me better than that by now
Kyra
2024-12-12 22:03:35 +0000 UTCfirst :)
Olivia Saville
2024-12-12 22:03:03 +0000 UTC
