GEDC SESSION 7 Questions and Observations

Do you think herbert suggests there might be sexual feelings that Moneo has for Malky? Leto says that Malky “offered him greater temptations than any other…” and gets cut off by Moneo. It’s also interesting that Leto suggests Malky looks like Hwi except with years of testosterone and has the same doe-like eyes just with evil in them and was also intending Moneo to mate with her. Do you think there might be some pent up bisexual feelings Moneo has for Malky?

(Please excuse my name spellings I've been listening to the Audio Book so, I have no idea how shit's spelled) Q: Does it seem like the Telaxu and Ixians could have coordinated to time the creation of a childish Duncan and the hottie Hui to kinda pincer move attack against Leto? Maybe not. Maybe a coincidence? I just don't see this going well.

Clear Menser

I liked how Duncan hints at respecting Moneo when he says Moneo is someone he'd find worthy of dying in the presence of. It was nice to see Duncan be nice for a split second. The last Duncan had a fish speaker wife and kids but still got himself killed.... Do the Duncans sometimes chill out or does the Duncan always become insufferable and painful for everyone to be around? Is he constantly whining and complaining and hating on everyone? That would get so annoying - still can't understand why Leto wants him around so much haha. Such a fall from the hot Duncan that Alia fell for. What do you think are the major differences of Duncan in Messiah vs Duncan in God Emperor and why do you think that would happen to a man?

Cazzamatazz

Q: Did you come up with the chapter titles yourself? Because they are great I've written them into my paperback and just reading them gives me a great mental picture of that chapter high level.

eneve

After seeing the movie, I'd be more inclined to talk about homeboy Denis Villeneuve but that will wait until tomorrow. For now, observation: Yet again, Leto goes along the lines of "would you have believed me if I just told you?" with Siona. It really does not feel like he's learned to teach, or has even tried to improve upon his "teaching" methods. As one teacher to another, Danika, do you seek to improve your approach to conveying knowledge? Leto seems to fall for patterns he has such a disdain for. Other observation: the museum Fremen of Tuono village, with their brown eyes (oh noes, they don't even have access to spice anymore) reek of a notion of regression, de-evolution away from the "noble savage" trope of the original desert Fremen. Herbert seems to prefer "survival through cruelty" over "death in comfort", but really, why value permanence through suffering over impermanence? Finally, Malky is admirable for lacking any respect for Leto. Yet he is also obsessed with dick. But, his bones are so brittle, does he not have enough vitamin R?

PJ B

Bunch of rapid fire observations I did starting at 11AM today, skip any that already overlap with what's already been said. Read maybe 3/4 of it silently and just pick out what you want. There's a ton of this but it's intended to help since you are presently under a time crunch with tomorrow looming: Just didn't want us to miss any of these notes: Skip over anything that's a mis-fire because I was still drinking my morning coffee. p.468 prayer as attempted coercion of the deity. One of my favorite bits. p.470 Moneo's exposition about Vladimir Harkonnen is really interesting where he talks about the Baron being a seeker after sensations. p.472 Seeing Nayla again in the corridor, I wonder how does a person cast that role without insulting the actress: "We ahh, need a woman with a really odd physiognomy where they are built like a tank and have this super wide mouth that goes from check to cheek." That person has to be really dedicated to character acting. Maybe a little assistance with a tiny amount of CGI or a little prosthesis to kick it over the edge. But starting with someone who -almost- looks like Nayla naturally. p.474 chapter header: What we really lose with the passage of time on the order of centuries or millennia is the ability to -think- in a dead language. We have only the degree of effort we can put into surviving, sometimes second-hand or even more remote sources. A big debate in the U.S. is originalism, can we discern the Founders' intent, and that's only a gap of 250 years. How much harder then to truly decipher classical Greek or Latin. p.480 "That is not the way of interdependence." I have used -that- on occasion in conversation. p.488 "Once more unto the breach, dear friends." Feeling that he was stuck the way the Bene Gesserit were trapped by Paul's appearance. p.493 "What happens when you think like a Fremen?" Moneo probing the fact that Duncan is on this bipolar up-swing after expressing disgust earlier. p.495 "You allow for no differences that can come from good will." I see alot of jaded people on the Internet, Scott Adams among them stating that people are only altruistic when they are still children and that we're all scoundrelous fellows underneath, as Alan Watts would put it. That this is a flaw that we grow out of. But it's tempering of do-good behavior with experience which makes it genuine. Doing good -despite- the baser impulses, not just lower self-conscious virtue. Just because playing the odds you can bet people are out for themselves doesn't mean we should deny that the occasional wholesome deed exists that -isn't- just from naivete. There is definitely a big wasteland out there where a lot of people aren't using post-conventional morals, just doing good because convention told them to do so, but we do encounter right-action proceeding from well-rounded strength of character too. We should call that out when we find it. and pat our fellow human on the back for it. "So shines a good deed...in a weary world."--Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka. p.496 "I prefer to stand." We're going to get into...who else does this, in Heretics lulz. p.502 "Can't your universe merely -be-?" one of the top five lines in the whole book for me. I trot that one out sometimes. p.512-513 No comment, I give poor Garun his privacy other than Duncan's reaction really crushes him. p.516 "Stop mouthing the obvious, Moneo..." A return by Frank to a buddy-humor beat after the griping of Duncan and Siona at each other gets a little shrill. It fits well. p.518 Just like the little-referenced raid by Duke Leto on the Harkonnen spice stores in the first book, the attack led by Anteac is just barely hinted at. But I think, if that were shown onscreen that has to be a -huge- planetary wide battle at Ix. To contrast with things on Arrakis being really quiescent. And a nice point by Leto that Anteac was a true friend. p.524 "Nobody tells the truth" Malky is here all worldly cynicism. One of those who would deny true altruism as I'd earlier discussed in my note for p.495. p.526 "Anguish of the spirit" seeming to say that meaning arises when our awarness -strives- for an objective.

Saw the movie, loved everything but Tim as Paul. Tim has like no facial acting range. It always sort of bothers me when I see him on film. Like he is the male equivalent of Kristen Stewart. Just a plain face. I am like "You aint that cute a twink Timotheeee, try moving your eye brows or widening/squinting your eyes. Please!?!" As for my question, do you think they will do any more books into movies?

Question - Leto has made it clear that he has been breeding the atreides for specific traits, and Siona's ability to hide from prescience is one of those traits, presumably because prescience is one more predator that he wants humanity to defeat, but did he also plan for the enhancement and proliferation of the "no-rooms" that the Ixians created? He mentions that many people with knowledge of the no-room technology escaped his fish speakers and therefore many people now could hide from him, but he does not seem upset about it. Was he "breeding" humanity to produce both biological and technological immunity to prescience? Were all Leto's enemies working for him whether they knew it or not? Question: Why has Leto treated the museum fremen so shabbily? He knows how the fremen really lived, but doesn't seem to be trying that hard to give them what they need (in terms of knowledge and supplies) to be anything other than a sad joke. Observation: I will never picture Timotheeeeeee when I think of Paul, but I may start picturing Zendaya when I think of Cheni. She looks a lot more "desert" to me than anyone else who has played the part.. I didn't love her as Mary Jane, but I think I may like her as Cheni.

Why isn’t Leto names the 2rd and not Leto III?

I saw it, and really enjoyed it! One thing I'm annoyed by is that WB didn't green light the 2nd part...It was obviously too big for one movie and now instead of them being able to film the whole thing we have to wait for them to approve it, and all the filming/editing and such. So now we're looking at probably at least two years instead of one per year like Lord of the Rings was allowed to do.

Tommy Z