PATREON EXCLUSIVE: Pushing For Sex Or Backing Off? Which One Is More Effective?

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The phrase is something like:- "If a woman makes you wait for sex, then sex is not worth" - Rollo Tomassi.

This is more than just letting you wait or not. The concept means, if she only sees you as someone who pays for meals and fun, like a highend restaurant on the first, second and third date and grabs her phone after the order. She sees you as a beta. It is also called "foodycall" which is a date where the women only lets her invite you to get a free meal with no interest in you.

About the redpill concept, they said that if a woman makes you wait, that means that she sees you as a "provider guy", the beta male On the other hand, she will have sex, with the alpha chad on parties I link to you the video here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-52iMv9Qh-0 Relating to my experiences, it's a very bizarre thing, because in some ways for exemple my ex girl friend told me that she didn't want to be considered as the bitch of my university, I said well no problem, let's sleep and then 5 seconds later, she said fuck off and we had an amazing sex The story of the man in this video happens to me also and we never had sex. So at that point, it's very unclear for me even with the advices of alexander, how to react the next day when she has make you wait : Did she considers me as a alpha but she is a high quality woman and is really worth it ? Or she is a woman that makes you wait but she fucks with other guy on the first date What do you think about it ?

I had a very similar situation. Although in my case the girl had no boyfriend, and it was me, who turned down the sex, even though she was grinding on top of me and I was really, very attracted to her. I was wondering whether or not turning down sex as a guy in this situation makes more attractive or less attractive in regards to female psychology. I told her, that I really enjoy it, - but it is too fast for me, while also internally self-doubting myself, since this is not what "alpha males" do. I don't really know whether or not I communicated that on a subconscious level - but she texted me back for a second meetup, so at least something must've went right.

I hate autocomplete too.

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*infidelity

Alisha

I am a woman who has only been with one man and still is but for me I would say that ambiguity is the best strategy. I think in that scenario she did want him to push for sex so that she could push the responsibility of her infertility onto him but he didn't give in to her and that made her feel stupid. But there are so many interpretations xxx

Alisha

I've been in the exact same situation, where I was pressing for sex and girls quickly lost interest afterwards. It happened two times to me and I learned my lesson after the second. Last time I invited a girl to my place on the first date, she said she doesn't do sex on the first date while she was on top of me, I said ok that's fine, let's just watch some movie then. Had sex on the second date.. so I think backing off is the power move

I think you might be re-inventing/re-describing quite known phenomena noticed by red pill community. There is even a rule saying that you should never escalate to the point where sex almost happens and stop because you will never hear from that girl again, which I think this story is a good example. The red pill “explanation” is that she is going home rationalizing all good reasons why she said no and after that she will never say yes. The red pill even goes as far to describes “magical” line in the process of escalation before which you can still back off to the second date and after which you have to push for sex or loose contact. I don’t know if I see it to be that clear but it’s an interesting concept.

Hi Alex, I think you were referring to Rollo Tomassi's "3 strikes and you're out" rule towards the end. "If she hasn't slept with you by the 3rd date, she's out." However, considering the girl is conflict-avoidant AND cheating on her boyfriend, she really is only fuckbuddy material and should've been treated as such. You can't have a healthy relationship with someone who is conflict-avoidant, because it will eventually just lead to passive-aggressive behaviour, like going out and finding a replacement for your current partner before you've broken up with them...

Communicate With Confidence

Why is this a story about effectively getting sex? He already had it and turned her down.. He did everything perfect until he backed off and friendzoned himself.

Because she has low value

Lonawrage

To honest why did she come on a date tho if she knew she had a boyfriend come on granted I wouldn't have made the first move

If you meet a woman you truly care about, then you should place a high value on sexual intimacy, both yours and hers. Nobody bonds over a quickie on the first date. I think most men view it as cheap and women view it as a meaningless encounter.