Hidden True Crime - DELPHI: Dr John on the Richard Allen Trial. #PATREONONLY

Who the f are these goons writing unfair and unjust letters? Ignore the peanut gallery please, as us normal folks enjoy and look forward to your content exactly as you report it. A million true crime podcasts but we come to hear and watch yours.

Maechelle

2024-11-23 18:13:44 +0000 UTC

Dear Puffer and Dr. John, I just joined and I’ve loved listening to every minute of the first couple of streams. Thank you for giving me a laugh with the “sweet letters”. Unfortunately, I have a feeling where those originated as there seemed to be a few comments I read on Youtube 😬But anyway, don’t let them get to you. Maybe we can spend a 1/2 hour, call it “snarky snacks” and read all these letters and laugh. But thank you for your insights.!!

KS

2024-11-14 15:31:38 +0000 UTC

Keep on laughing it’s good for your soul Lauren. I live in Indiana and I looked forward to your reporting of this tragedy. I am so thankful the verdict came back guilty and now we have one less monster running among us.

Mindy

2024-11-13 15:13:37 +0000 UTC

That’s a good point. I have heard that before. Curious why prosecutors didn’t ask them this before they got on the stand

Dana T

2024-11-13 05:48:26 +0000 UTC

It’s crazy to me how polarised this has become online. It seems to be following the general mood in the world right now.

Kerry kezzen Haydon

2024-11-13 05:21:32 +0000 UTC

A lot of people are saying that the Haldol can cause psychosis is that likely? What’s the difference between delusions and psychosis? Can a person cause themselves to believe they did something they didn’t without being in or having been in psychosis? What causes that? These are questions I have post this case. Can he for instance start to believe he might be guilty without actually having been guilty, would that be psychosis or what could that be caused by? Can major depressive disorder cause any of that. Could he have been receiving pressure from inmates that influenced his mind rather than law enforcement? Thanks Lauren for asking a bunch of these questions for me. This is why HTC is so good. I do wonder though if Dr John can address whether he feels working in a system where he sees the worst of humanity regularly colours his view of people’s motives generally especially those accused of crimes. As a person diagnosed with moderate bi polar 2 disorder, this fascinates me. (Bi polar spectrum disorder in Aus) I find its key to have good connections and a world/lifestyle that doesn’t reinforce the depression state, I worry that if I was put in his position my illness might win so I’m trying to understand what happened here.

Kerry kezzen Haydon

2024-11-13 05:19:08 +0000 UTC

I agree

Trucrimegirl

2024-11-13 05:06:18 +0000 UTC

I think this needed to be explained better at trial. I sometimes think the lawyers need an expert to let them know how to question the experts.

Kerry kezzen Haydon

2024-11-13 04:56:19 +0000 UTC

I wonder if some of the upset about the verdict has to do with ignorance and misunderstanding about topics such as these

Frankie van Rooyen

2024-11-13 03:51:50 +0000 UTC

Thank god for you Dr. John! So much misunderstanding/misinformation in this trial, I’ve been yelling at my screen! The use of Haldol, the meaning and use of alert&oriented x 3, the definition of solitary confinement, the diagnosis of psychosis, the definition of a false confession, I could go on and on. I am now telling “exactly!” at my phone at everything you are saying! 😄

Frankie van Rooyen

2024-11-13 03:49:30 +0000 UTC

You don’t ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to - or one that can open up a new can of worms…. Like “I see you take 4 blood presssure medications, what pharmacy do you go to? Why did you never report RA despite visiting CVS 86 times while he was on shift since 2017?”

Amanda Lyons

2024-11-13 03:17:35 +0000 UTC

I think John is on the money - that there is a wounded / empathetic part of defence advocates that feel unfairly treated / railroaded / like the little guy - and suddenly there is a community / audience supporting a little guy, and they feel like they can gain some empowerment for themselves from joining the rabid defender echo-chamber. They can’t be swayed because it’s actually personal, trying to right a perceived wrong done to them in the defence of another!

Amanda Lyons

2024-11-13 03:14:59 +0000 UTC

Lauren and John, I just wanted to thank you for your coverage, and to thank you for knowing your own bias but still reporting as neutrally as possible. Financially I’m in a really hard season, but the least I could do was join for a month.

Amanda Lyons

2024-11-13 03:12:54 +0000 UTC

I certainly don’t understand the polarization in this case. I think it may connect to the political climate of our time. If someone doesn’t agree then they are your enemy. Sad we have come to this.

Trucrimegirl

2024-11-13 01:09:52 +0000 UTC

Abuse like what you've received for reporting on this case is unacceptable. I'm using my Patreon membership to pay you back a little bit. Thank you.

Pia Pedersen

2024-11-12 19:19:59 +0000 UTC

I’m baffled by the lack of common sense in people minds about this case When I comment on some of other channels im constantly told i have a conformation bias And people are constantly psychoanalysing me Lol I’m like No you have the conformation bias But then I realise that I should not argue with idiots But men there are so many of them out there Specially in this case Have people completely forgotten about the real victims here And think about what they suffered Just horrific I’m angry because of the way some people are presenting RA He’s NOT THE VICTIM

Vala Hauksdóttir

2024-11-12 12:21:58 +0000 UTC

You got in the train pun, so that's good.

David Sharlot

2024-11-12 02:45:37 +0000 UTC

The worst part of this is defiling a landmark.

David Sharlot

2024-11-12 02:37:34 +0000 UTC

Thanks for this and all of y'alls tireless work. I think Dr. John's onto something about the them v us mentality. I do believe the jury got it right, but the defense really stirred the pot and then Gull's rules just set the stage for this storm. Ngl I think the political climate added to the mix too. Also, I think you've done a stellar job on this, Lauren and are a wonderful reporter! Peace to Abby, Libby and their families 💙💜

Jamie D.

2024-11-12 01:16:04 +0000 UTC

I don’t believe she would be honest if she were questioned. She’s 100% an enabler and protector, no matter what. Same with his mom.

Rational Skepticism

2024-11-12 00:23:58 +0000 UTC

Wow I just listened to this today. That email made me laugh like Dr John. 🤷‍♀️ She’s a great reporter. Love to both of you. ❤️

Ronda Husereau

2024-11-11 23:58:37 +0000 UTC

My heart really goes out to Lauren and Dr John. I was reading the chats in your live today (guilty verdict) and some people have gotten really out of control and completely unprofessional. They’re simply forgetting what Lauren puts herself through FOR US by going to trial each and every day and reporting what we would have never gotten without her. There’s so many other YouTubers (lawyers etc) that I feel have a ton of bias in thinking he is innocent from the start. My point is, I can tell Lauren really, really tried to stay neutral & also, I feel she felt afraid to share how she was feeling in real time all because people would get so upset which is so not fair! SHE was there! I’ve been following Lauren & Dr John since the very beginning and I trust her heart implicitly and really dislike how people feel so entitled to get so enraged over people who disagree or have differing opinions or thoughts. It so ridiculous and unhealthy. That has to be so hard on Lauren especially. Anyways, I just want to thank you both for all your hard work and sacrifice! I want you to know that we greatly appreciate you!

Ashley Donoghue

2024-11-11 23:49:43 +0000 UTC

I can imagine what Lauren feels like being there 💔💔💔 I’m just watching for my phone and it’s so heartbreaking. I feel like the evidence is so obvious, but maybe I’m oblivious to bad cops. I mean, he looks just like the bridge guy, the bullet, the 61 + confessions the timeline. 🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏 justice for the family…

Dianna Burnthorn

2024-11-11 17:33:02 +0000 UTC

This case is the new West Memphis Three.

Catherine Hargrave

2024-11-11 17:17:27 +0000 UTC

Really hoping to hear more from Dr John on this case, his perspective is the most credible and helpful.

Catherine Hargrave

2024-11-11 16:31:43 +0000 UTC

I think part of the deeper issue with people being so polarized and not being able to accept truth or facts that’s in front of their face is that there is an attack on truth in our culture.

Susan

2024-11-10 14:20:24 +0000 UTC

Why isn't this playing for me?

Cathy Hankins

2024-11-10 08:40:25 +0000 UTC

I just started this case. I am behind. Lauren you are fabulous and I love Dr. John’s take/explanations as a psychologist. After Dr. John read the ridiculous email and he started giggling, I LOL very much. The writer of the email reminded me of “Wade’s Wives” I have no idea how I ended up on “Phone Calls From Prison’s” YT and “Jumpsuit Pablo’s” YT. The recorded phone calls of Wade Wilson are 🤯 Blows my mind that there are so many females and a male that are in love with the monster. Wade confessed the murders to his biological father and ex-girlfriend. Yet there are a slew of disturbing women that believe they are going to marry Wade and believe all of his lies.

Kellie Gonzales

2024-11-10 03:52:07 +0000 UTC

I watch Lawyer Lee and LawyerYouKnow. They are both very ethical and it is interesting to watch with a legal emphasis because they explain the legal processes and reasoning. I can love many children and YouTube channels. I love HTC because of their ethics. Lauren seems very empathic which is similar to me, and Dr. J provides well studied psychological insight which not only gives me insight to the criminal mind, but puts into perspective the behaviors of the human race.

Melissa Wager

2024-11-10 02:38:24 +0000 UTC

The idea that RA’s confessions related to his dependent personality disorder is an interesting consideration. People without training/experience in personality disorders ie. lawtubers might not not realise and fully weigh this in their assessment of guilt For me I still wonder about the parts of scene that were staged - not sure how that would fit with RA’s impulsive decision

Heidi Chapman

2024-11-10 02:35:33 +0000 UTC

Did the police searches turn up any rape porn on his devices? Was his wife and family questioned about his behavior on that Feb. 2017 day? The days following? I’m just thinking a wife might notice if hubby ran clothes washer that day .

Roberta S Treacy

2024-11-09 21:53:43 +0000 UTC

I truly appreciate you both. I'm appalled at the vivitrol being hurled at you. Thank God you both can laugh it off. Don't stop fighting the good fight. So few people are covering this trial and I am so invested I rely on you.

Florence Larger

2024-11-09 21:08:47 +0000 UTC

She has done a phenomenal job. I loved her before. I am more in love now! Even when I try to watch someone else my gut tells me to come back to hidden true crime. It’s not the same. they are all great. But with Lauren I feel like I am there in Delphi with her. I wish I could support in more ways. I am so grateful.

Natalie

2024-11-09 18:08:53 +0000 UTC

Lauren, your coverage of this story has been incredible. I have felt like I am in Indiana with you this whole time! Thank you!. You did a fantastic job! Well done! And John, I also hang on your every word! Thank you for the insight and the education! You both rock! What a team. THANK YOU.

Natalie

2024-11-09 18:06:51 +0000 UTC

I ❤️ you both! Thank you for all of the time you spend investigating, observing, interviewing and very interesting opinions 😀

Melissa McMillen

2024-11-09 16:38:30 +0000 UTC

Would anyone be willing to tell me some other creators worth watching about the case/trial? I have been religiously watching HTC and think Lauren and John have offered incredible coverage. Just curious to hear what others are saying

Stephanie J.

2024-11-09 04:20:16 +0000 UTC

I just joined Patreon and am catching up on this past post. In my humble opinion Lauren, you have just been telling what happened in court without any bias. I’ve listened to other podcast reporting and others are definitely biased. That letter that Dr John read was disappointing and upsetting and I hope that you can move past it.

Vicki Williams

2024-11-09 01:42:50 +0000 UTC

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for all you've done

Jennifer peterson

2024-11-08 18:29:56 +0000 UTC

Whoever sent that is a ... enter word here lol. I just joined your patreon and ive followed this case for years. And ive watched multiple people covering the case and you are my favorite. Dr John brings a great perspective but you are doing a fantastic job at giving the facts! You dont tip toe around the nastiness of this crime and you also remain unbiased which I can imagine is hard to do seeing what you have. Thank you!

natpack

2024-11-08 18:25:01 +0000 UTC

Here is a question and I didn't want to post it publicly. Why didn't the prosecution ask the witnesses to point to the person they believe was bridge guy when they were on the stand? Yes he looks different today but it would have been a nice touch for the jury.

Dana T

2024-11-08 17:31:50 +0000 UTC

I just joined and I want to say a big thank you to Lauren! Sitting outside the courtroom for hours, taking tiny breaks throughout the day and then going live every night recapping everything is an incredible undertaking. Regarding the polarization issue, additionally to what Dr. John said I believe that his diagnosis makes some people infantalize him. Couple that with his "solitary confinement" and his wife and mothers' unwavering support, and you get this picture. People love a man who needs saving.

dontmicrowavecats

2024-11-08 17:11:08 +0000 UTC

I believe that nasty email you received was from someone in Richard's family. It's so passionate and personal. I am so glad you guys all laughed it off. Lauren you have been absolutely incredible. They are just upset they couldn't gaslight you to their side.

Dana T

2024-11-08 16:16:05 +0000 UTC

Please don’t listen to the negative people out there. You have the presence you do due to your amazing fact reporting & insight!

Michelle

2024-11-08 16:15:32 +0000 UTC

I finally joined! Listening now. I really appreciate your coverage of this trial. Thank you Dr. John and Lauren. I believe that Richard Allen is 100% guilty. Do the "innocent" camp believe that he was given truth serum or something? That sounds so silly when I type it out. Do they suspect his medicine was tampered with? I am trying to understand where they are coming from with their belief in the defense theory that it's the government, or whatever they believe.

Dana T

2024-11-08 15:48:42 +0000 UTC

Thank you both so much for your reporting and expertise covering this trial. It’s astonishing that so many people throw logic out the window in this case. Lauren, you are a wonderful reporter. You are the only one that I will listen to anymore. I’m sorry that you have to deal with people that don’t want to see facts and the truth and that these people are talking and treating you the way they are. You have kept the focus on Abby and Libby, they are all that matters. A difference in opinion is to be expected, the way some are handling it is baffling. Prayers for you and the families. 💗

Megan Young

2024-11-08 13:59:57 +0000 UTC

Justice for the GIRLS!

Jessica Greenberg

2024-11-08 12:51:09 +0000 UTC

I too felt that RA was being set up. After listening to Dr. John, I’ll leave it to the jury. The trier’s of facts.

Jessica Greenberg

2024-11-08 12:50:49 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr. John, I’m sorry that you have been getting hateful messages and e-mail. That should never happen. I was angry today because of the combination of poor police work, lack of evidence, the fact that Richard Allen was treated differently than other suspects. He was placed in a prison setting when he was an Innocent “Until Proven Guilty inmate”. I just can’t imagine how he was able to do this crime alone. I respect and like you both very much. None of the horrible police work has nothing to do with you at all. I had decided that whatever Dr. John said about Allen’s feigning and malingering and bad acting, I would accept. I have accepted it. However, I haven’t changed my mind about how I would vote if I was on the jury. I would vote Not Guilty. There is simply no evidence. I guess I’m really grateful I’m not on the jury! I’m looking at the situation from February, 2017 on, not 2022 on. Normally I take the side of law enforcement. When a good police force does their job properly and the trial is fair, I’m 100% on their side. So much about this trial was secretive and unfair. I’ve never heard of or seen anything like it! Judge Gull should never be allowed to preside over another trial, ever again. She needs to retire. Again, none of this is your fault. I don’t understand people anymore. Why have so many people become so hateful? I’ve allowed myself to get too wrapped up in this case, so I’m stopping all of it. It’s not that interesting anymore. I feel horrible for Abby and Libby’s families. I can’t begin to imagine what this has done to their lives. It must be almost impossible to bear. Mostly, I do want justice for Abby and Libby. They were brutalized, terrified and violently murdered. They are the victims here. Not Richard Allen. I just don’t want some monster walking around out there free to do it again to some other little girls. That is my biggest fear, because I don’t believe Richard Allen could have done this crime alone. Anyway, I give up. He’s guilty because he confessed and didn’t name anyone else. He’ll have to learn to live with his fate. Best of everything to you both, Lauren and Dr. John. Maybe I’ll check in once in a while. 💚🧡✌️👋 P.S. I do have a few questions. 1. Did he really eat his poo? 2. Is that acting too? 3. How far gone does a person have to be to do that? Not far at all, if they’re acting, I guess. He must’ve been a liar his entire life. A real pro. See ya!

WomanOfSteel

2024-11-08 10:34:32 +0000 UTC

I can’t even begin to say how highly I regard Lauren’s coverage of this case & how much I appreciate her factual reporting. I had to stop listening to all other channels because it felt soul destroying to hear people pushing the narrative of Allen’s innocence & leaving out any information from court which would go against their narrative! I also greatly admire your tenacity with YT! I have thick skin, but I’ve barely spoken about the case on my YT channel because of the hatred! I’ve watched Kelsi grow up since the beginning of the case & seen how much pain she’s gone through & I get it! My sister is my best friend and (most of the time) my soulmate, I don’t know how I could have continued to exist if, as a teenager, someone took her away from me in that way!

Joss Larkins

2024-11-08 09:51:51 +0000 UTC

Yes!!! I’ve cried so much over this case. I’m so glad to hear that you feel the same way in terms of it feeling like people have forgotten Abby & Libby. People have also forgotten the families of these beautiful children and it almost crushes me to think of the pain that all the insanity is causing for them!

Joss Larkins

2024-11-08 09:31:32 +0000 UTC

I’m so glad that I jumped in here to listen to your thoughts on this case away from YT, hearing you laugh at people’s stupidity has really helped me to cope with the hideous vitriol that’s being pushed!

Joss Larkins

2024-11-08 09:26:10 +0000 UTC

oops hit return. So he had some real life experience to back up what Dr. John has been saying all along. Love Ya!

Melissa Wager

2024-11-08 06:21:32 +0000 UTC

Hey John and Lauren! I am grateful for what you two are doing and Dr. John has helped educate me in so many wonderful ways. I wanted to let you two know that I was listening to Lawyer Lee talk to Jumpsuit Pablo a few days ago. The exchange was worth the listen and yes, I can love two YouTube channels at the same time. Pablo spent 10 years in prison and at some point 45 days in a "one man cell." He said from his experience you can't describe a coherent confession during a psychotic episode.

Melissa Wager

2024-11-08 06:19:06 +0000 UTC

Hate Mail writers have nothing better to do then pick apart their own shortcomings in other people. It's so good to find the humor in it! I love how protective Dr. John is of Lauren 💞! You both are phenomenal! Thank You!

Sheri Abernathy

2024-11-08 04:43:28 +0000 UTC

You both are lovely and I love your warmth and dynamic. ❤️ I learn a ton every time I listen.

Tove Blomqvist

2024-11-08 04:31:32 +0000 UTC

I ❤️ you both! You were my first True Crime Channel! And I’m LOYAL!

Kathy Stay

2024-11-08 04:02:54 +0000 UTC

I’ve heard a lot of crap towards you on YT Channels I can’t remember whose. Nobody, that you usually associate with, but I couldn’t sleep one night and I heard your name, and I was like, wtf?🤬

Kathy Stay

2024-11-08 04:00:48 +0000 UTC

You got Hate email/mail?! C’mon people! BE BETTER!!!! 😡

Kathy Stay

2024-11-08 03:50:25 +0000 UTC

So, I honestly thought, someone was setting RA up. But I’ve been a tad busy, so I haven’t been on Patreon, since I joined a few weeks ago. But after listening to John…🫣 #JusticeforAbbyandLibby Yeah, I bought the State side. I guess that’s what I get for looking at multiple YT SITES! Sheesh! I ❤️ you Lauren! Give em HELL!

Kathy Stay

2024-11-08 03:48:14 +0000 UTC

I remember Brian from Elizabeth Smart’s Case. Since I live in Utah. I still remember that the day they found her. I’d just come out of Brain Surgery. And I was just brought to my room. I the nurse had the tv on. I had a pain pump. So I had the button in my hand. And I practically yelled, “That Son of a Bitch is going to fake he’s CRAZY!” And my Mother is trying to hush me! And all the Nurses are like, “It’s okay, she’s on drugs.” Then made me laugh, because I was an employee of the Hospital, and my Mom was embarrassed because they knew I was LDS, 😂 But I said, “Oh No! I AM FULLY ALERT! 💯! The Bastard did it, and he’ll get away with it, because he’s going to fake CRAZY!”

Kathy Stay

2024-11-08 03:42:30 +0000 UTC

I didn't realize hate mail was an issue and is completely out of line. Just became a member. Thanks for all you do.

AubSauce

2024-11-08 02:49:57 +0000 UTC

I just became a Patreon member tonight and I must say that hearing about that email has me really angry on both of your behalf’s! Obviously this person doesn’t recognize the sacrifice that you’ve made, Lauren to be there in the court room so that we too could know what’s happening! Thank you for being there even though it’s wearing you out. You, Dr. John and your little man are very much appreciated.

Alicia Reed

2024-11-08 00:58:26 +0000 UTC

People are getting nasty with this trial. There are a bunch of full blown conspiracy theory folks raging in the comments.

Heidi Laursen

2024-11-08 00:21:17 +0000 UTC

I agree 100% with the Lauren praise! 100%. I also agree that this is about Libby and Abby, and getting Justice for them. Because they and their families, their community—they are all so in need and deserving of this Justice, I’m really horrified by the bungled investigation and abuses of power at play here. If RA is really guilty but the jury decides that the state has not proved their case being a reasonable doubt, blame goes to the investigators, the ISP, the prosecution, Gull, etc. 100%

Alysa Schroff

2024-11-07 23:00:25 +0000 UTC

Thank you for taking the time to provide this thorough breakdown-I appreciate it!

Alysa Schroff

2024-11-07 22:48:16 +0000 UTC

Thank you both for your live tonight, so important to be a reporter, informer and enlightener in a sea of misinformation and chaos. Thank you both so much.

Julie Port

2024-11-07 22:15:28 +0000 UTC

I actually had this happen to an old iPad that was water damaged. It’s a thing.

Amy S

2024-11-07 21:53:19 +0000 UTC

I was wondering if KA didn’t want him to confess for her own selfish reasons. I would love to hear Dr. John speak to this as well. His knowledge fascinates me. If that wasn’t him on that bridge, I think she’d be saying it to anyone that listened, including the jury. I’m sure every wife out there would recognize their husband walking on a bridge, ie clothing, gait, etc.

Amy S

2024-11-07 21:51:36 +0000 UTC

Hi Lauren! New member here. I remember you saying you discussed in a Patreon episode why you decided to cover the Delphi case, but I can’t remember which episode it is. Could you tell me which one it is? I’ve been following this case since day one. I’m just curious why you wanted to cover it besides obvious reasons. Thank you! Thoroughly loving your and Dr. John’s work! I’ve been a true crime enthusiast for years and years, and I love hearing Dr. John’s perspective from a criminal psychologist’s viewpoint. It is completely fascinating. I was maybe starting to doubt RA’s guilt, but with the evidence, which in my opinion, there are too many coincidences, and Dr. John’s analysis, I think he’s totally guilty. Too bad the jury can’t hear from Dr. John. His analysis was far better than any of their expert witnesses. I was disgusted that the court was concerned for RA’s dignity. That was absolutely outrageous and disgusting to me. As a parent, i wanted to rage for the girls and their families. That was absolutely foul. I pray for justice for Libby & Abby! May those precious, beautiful girls forever rest in the arms of the Lord!

Amy S

2024-11-07 21:35:13 +0000 UTC

Two points. The only thing I heard Dr. Walla communicated to Ricky, regarding her "True Crime" exposure, is that he has supporters out there. I also would like Dr. John to give insight as to the marriage dynamic between RA and KA and him being "unguided" from her. He begs for her permission to tell and she doesn't give it. I would hope my partner would encourage me to tell the truth.

Sara Donahue

2024-11-07 01:38:56 +0000 UTC

I so appreciate you both, Lauren and Dr John. I think Richard Allen is guilty because the evidence, while thin, has lead me there. I think the defense has done a lackluster job at best. I'm starting to think that the divide on this case is emblematic of the greater issues going on in our country. The distrust of the media in general and as Dr John said, Allen represents the little guy in many peoples minds. I think the fact that this trial hasn't been livestreamed is a huge part of the problem, this is an example of why trials need to be available to all of the public not just the ones who are willing to deal with unreasonable obstacles to get in. Much love to you both. Lauren, stay safe out there. Hopefully this will wrap up soon so you can get home to your family. ✌🏻♥️

Danielle G.

2024-11-06 19:16:33 +0000 UTC

I got to thinking about Libby’s phone and the Jack. Maybe a tiny earwig climbed in and eventually out of that hole. I go put new flowers out at the cemetery and these tiny earwigs are always getting in my solar light and the tiniest of cracks and spaces.

Kay Louise

2024-11-06 18:48:38 +0000 UTC

I came here from YT. This specific podcast should be named “Dr. John unfiltered” 😅 Unrelated to the RA confessions. My cousin moved to Delphi, IN the summer of 2016 and she still lives there. Her neighbor’s granddaughter (college student) was chased on the Monon High Bridge trails the morning of February 13th, 2017 by an unknown male. It was reported to the FBI. If that is true, I’m surprised it hasn’t been brought up in court.

Elizabeth Anne

2024-11-06 17:44:34 +0000 UTC

Just my opinion from what I know about myself and what I’ve observed in others. When Lauren reported on the jail calls, I 100% thought he was confessing to alleviate the stress of what he’d done. I still think that. I think that everyone telling him he didn’t or to stop talking about it gave him some anxiety and frustration that no one would listen to him. I think the psychosis was real but since it occurred after he received discovery from his lawyers, the level of evidence further overwhelmed him and stressed him more. Not being heard or believed by those you love that could confuse him when he’s trying to alleviate internal pressure. If you add stress of info/evidence the attorneys gave him, whether or not it was sufficient for conviction, he could have interpreted it as enough which added further stress, leading to a mental break. Edit: listening to the 11/5 summary. The solitary confinement expert says that “I think” suggests false memory. If I remember right, RA didn’t say “I think” until after his wife pushed back and told him he didn’t. If he’s psychologically dependent on her, wouldn’t that mean that he’d be more likely to accept her thoughts over his own? He’s certain when he first confesses. When she pushes back, he becomes less certain or uses “I think” as a means of arguing with her without confrontation. That suggests to me that he did it but used “I think” either as a means of arguing with his wife or that she planted the doubt in his mind.

Rita Weltsch

2024-11-06 13:46:25 +0000 UTC

I wished the audio was better and also the page kept flashing quickly and would not stop even after leaving/coming back and refreshing. You need to stop reporting now. It's all about stupid asses. Lol I had the same note sent to me oddly written exactly like yours. Anyways, don't pay attention to ignorance. Loved hearing you guys not being so serious. Youtube is getting way to heated.

Reagon

2024-11-06 01:00:42 +0000 UTC

There is a lot to be said for the cathartic confession. I understand that it’s alleged that Richard Allen has been historically much more upset after meeting with his attorneys, and I really feel like that’s because he keeps finding out how bad it looks for him. I hope that they are listening to him in regards to how he wants to move forward, if he would rather plead guilty he should be allowed to.

Mary Hatchet

2024-11-06 00:42:35 +0000 UTC

I can’t remember if I heard this through you, Lauren, or the Murder Sheet. But I thought Dr John might be interested in knowing that somebody observed Richard Allen, maybe it was a guard? They observed him right before he went for it and drank out of the toilet, they saw him looking at the toilet and trying to gear himself up to do it. I’m pretty sure that’s testimony. So right before he goes to drink the toilet water because he’s so psychotic, he’s taking deep breaths and steadying himself for what lies ahead. That is not psychosis.

Mary Hatchet

2024-11-06 00:33:53 +0000 UTC

We love you both, and respect you, too. And I think we are a way more reasonable bunch. I love that when Dr. John starts wondering about why people are so loud and so cruel, it’s really amazing that we can get his perspective on that alone. I feel like people finally have a platform in life, and people are just screaming. This is a very tough world to live in. People really need to be nicer to each other. Thank you both for everything that you’re doing. This is how I’m choosing to get my news.

Mary Hatchet

2024-11-06 00:27:25 +0000 UTC

Thoroughly enjoyed this! The giggling too 🥰 Hard subject but love the honesty. Lauren you are not a dumb ass. Xxx

Lauren Schultz

2024-11-06 00:21:12 +0000 UTC

Ready to hear Dr John go on and on about confessions, malingering, and his theory on why so many people have jumped onto the innocence wagon here! Love the more unfiltered opinions available here as I was sort of thinking Lauren was beginning to side with the defense but I see I was not interpreting the YouTube content correctly.

Nicole

2024-11-05 20:45:22 +0000 UTC

Thank you. I have not followed this closely and was waiting for Dr. John's insights. About the hate, just wow. There is nothing like trying to prove you are right by attacking people. Not a good strategy.

Laura Carson

2024-11-05 20:39:51 +0000 UTC

Thank you for covering this so well-both of you

Iris Ford

2024-11-05 19:00:30 +0000 UTC

“Why don’t they believe it?” I think there is a cultural shift happening where the appropriate response to all statements of truth must be questioned with a type of illogical depravity and a conspiracy inserted. And I agree some things are indeed conspiracy but sometimes hooves means horses, not zebras.

Nicole

2024-11-05 18:11:42 +0000 UTC

Good on John for laughing at the trolls. They're idiotic and just trying to be hurtful. However I can totally understand why it could hurt. Which is what the trolls intended. We love you, we want to hear your coverage and we support you both.

Julie Port

2024-11-05 18:09:57 +0000 UTC

His answer to Kathy - why are you saying this? "Because I think I did it". This bothers me a lot. He did not reply

Līga Vasara-Brakmane

2024-11-05 17:37:57 +0000 UTC

Lauren you have done an amazing job! Thank you for your factual reporting and as always Dr John's analysis is so valuable! I have listened since the beginning of your podcast and have found you to be trustworthy and offer amazing insight. You both are a credit to the true crime community and I appreciate you both so much. Thank you for all your hard work! I'm so sorry people are so hostile, you definitely don't deserve it. We need your kind of reporting and I'm so grateful for it!

Dawn Reazin

2024-11-05 16:50:21 +0000 UTC

💖 Thank you Kathleen. I really appreciate your comment. Everyone that responded and understands my concerns means the world to me. Very grateful.

Sue

2024-11-05 16:22:44 +0000 UTC

Lauren you are doing a fine job- and I appreciate your professional husbands opinion

Interestedparty1

2024-11-05 16:16:29 +0000 UTC

He needs to provide more details I think to be believed- still toying with the truth and lies

Interestedparty1

2024-11-05 16:14:36 +0000 UTC

Beautifully stated!! 👏💖

Domsmom725

2024-11-05 15:54:09 +0000 UTC

I think he has been trying to shape the conversation since the beginning of potential discovery on Feb 15 when his picture was published

Interestedparty1

2024-11-05 15:52:12 +0000 UTC

I have seen thorazine and haldol not calm a disturbed patient

Interestedparty1

2024-11-05 15:50:40 +0000 UTC

I worked in large Psyche hospital- I never saw any patient do what he did- he was too organized- methodic-- in my experience when a patient was especially disturbed it was a disorganized erratic- not carrying out intentional behaviors

Interestedparty1

2024-11-05 15:48:24 +0000 UTC

?? Dr. John, could the effects of Haldal meds have a truth telling effect? Could it subdue the anxiety enough to allow for truthfulness?

Chelsea Gervan

2024-11-05 14:49:04 +0000 UTC

Agree. I too have major Depressive Disorder and it can cause me to be unsure of myself and I am very good at putting myself down. I believe RA was under a lot of stress and it caused deterioration but this doesn’t negate the chance he committed a crime.

Chelsea Gervan

2024-11-05 14:46:03 +0000 UTC

There was a federal ruling saying 30 days is the maximum amount time - after 30 days you are literally violating the inmates constitutional rights.

Katelyn Roy

2024-11-05 14:41:22 +0000 UTC

I have Major Depression Disorder, was abused in multiple ways as a child resulting in Complex PTSD. I haven’t gotten so much as a speeding ticket. While untreated mental health issues can cause crime, I don’t think that someone shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions.

Alison

2024-11-05 13:23:50 +0000 UTC

It’s my first day on Patreon! I’m very grateful to be here and hear about your sincere and honest thoughts. Love you guys!

Alison

2024-11-05 12:52:49 +0000 UTC

I joined today. I’m sorry you're receiving emails like that! You both are so highly intelligent and work so hard. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and loads of love from the UK 🇬🇧❤️

Karen Bell

2024-11-05 12:39:43 +0000 UTC

I’m posting this on here because I hope to get Dr John’s answer to this. I am listening to the live from last night and my interest was piqued when I heard them talking about delirium. I am an ICU nurse and I see people with hospital acquired delirium all the time. Most of these people have no history of serious mental illness but they can experience hallucinations, delusions, and erratic and bizarre behaviors. But delirium is not a mental illness, it is a psychiatric syndrome that is reversible. It is triggered by lack of uninterrupted sleep, inability to tell day from night (ie leaving the lights on at all times), physical illness, sedation, and even constipation. Did I hear right that the person who dubbed him “psychotic” stated that delirium is a mental illness? Because that is simply not true. Just wondering your thoughts on that! Love you guys!

Lauren Leiendecker

2024-11-05 11:33:45 +0000 UTC

Anonymous YouTube comments are bad enough; I'm shocked that people also go out of their way to send hateful emails. Sorry to hear you're both being subject to this, I know it can become too hard to take at some point. It's helpful to hear Dr. John's insight into the bizarre vitriol that has emerged over the course of the trial. I've noticed an anti-science attitude in the RA defenders on YT, and a repeated misunderstanding of "reasonable doubt" to mean "any doubt at all" or "doubt about anything and everything." As if "I doubt, therefore he's innocent." The protracted investigation followed by the closed trial feeds into the fantasy of an evil state vs. the weak individual, which is why Lauren's going there and reporting on it is so important and helpful. That you'd receive anything but thanks for your sacrifice, and that you'd be actually lambasted instead, is outrageous and disheartening. I hope you can find a way to just ignore the nasty emails and comments as much as possible.

Patience Moll

2024-11-05 08:45:37 +0000 UTC

Oh my gosh and that email?!?!? What the???? Wow!!! You are doing a great job Lauren!!!

Toni ONeill St James

2024-11-05 08:16:26 +0000 UTC

What fascinates me as much as this trial is how polarising it is, it’s right up there with politics and religion!!!! And why can’t people be nice while they disagree with each other?!?!?!

Toni ONeill St James

2024-11-05 08:13:42 +0000 UTC

Hi, I started this trial listening to several different channels and podcasts. One of the chats mentioned your channel and I thought I would have a peak. I soon stopped following anyone else's coverage of the trial, subscribed then became a member. I have recommended you to all my true crime friends stating that you were detailed,non biased and factual Ignore any negative comments... most of us are very grateful and appreciative of your hard work.

Janey Seed

2024-11-05 08:07:27 +0000 UTC

I bet the city employees, including law enforcement but also everyone at the court, etc. are getting harassed with this kind of political messaging. No wonder they are trying to discourage media coverage as much as possible. Unfortunately, when they make it this hard, there’s going to be selection bias among “reporters.”—I would assume there would be fewer responsible, balanced, respected, fact-based journalists like Lauren covering this trial and more fanatics with tons of energy to spend the night at the court house, or maybe just people who don’t mind providing opinions without gathering the facts inside the court. This makes Lauren’s work all the more important!!! Thank you

Jennifer Hudson

2024-11-05 07:12:01 +0000 UTC

I have been so confused as to why this little town has been so unhelpful when it comes to media coverage of this case, and now I understand. I had no idea it was so politicized in this specific way. Dr. John put it all together for me. I admittedly never paid attention to this case until you guys started covering it so intensely, and now I’m really curious as to how Richard Allen became this symbolic figure. There are a lot of pieces that fit, but why him? It seems like there must be a ton of other white male gun owners charged with awful crimes against women who could also fit the bill. It’s also the length of time that went by and the lack of DNA (in this era of DNA), I get that. But still.

Jennifer Hudson

2024-11-05 06:58:24 +0000 UTC

Yes, Brenda! I really think he needed to confess, like I said in the chat today (11/4), but his family and lawyers would not allow it. They should have helped him if he wanted to plead guilty. 😞 I don’t believe he was delirious or confessing under “torture” or anything like what the defense and their fan girls/boys have been pushing for the past year or more. I think it was at least a year of misinformation they’ve been selling to the public.

Erin Aboudara

2024-11-05 06:33:03 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr. John, I respect both of you! I've been subscribing to your YouTube channel for about a year now. I found you covering the Daybell trial, and I kept coming back. Thank you for keeping it real day in and out. Honestly, there is no one like you guys out there. I am so impressed by you both! Justice for these two sweet girls <3

Michelle Dias

2024-11-05 06:29:22 +0000 UTC

Psychotic people have that million mile stare, nobody is home. and there’s a lot of fear

Marnie Norris

2024-11-05 06:04:04 +0000 UTC

If you ever want an explanation of psychosis I can help. My mom had it paired with bipolar my whole life. She was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia until I got her a dr 35 yrs ago who was a psychiatrist and neurologist Dr Nanda in Louisiana. She spent months every year of ,my childhood in and out of psychiatric hospitals. She hallucinated and was in fear when she had episodes. They were always when she decided to quit taking her medicine. She took haldol also. She thought my step dad was always trying to kill her. She would call the police and they could tell immediately she needed to go to a hospital. She threw out all of our mattresses because of bugs. Our microwave because of radiation. She tried to jump out of a car when we were taking her to the hospital, she thought we were trying to take her to the woods to kill her. There was no getting better without a month in a hospital getting back on meds.

Marnie Norris

2024-11-05 05:54:48 +0000 UTC

You're doing great!!!

Tralala

2024-11-05 05:45:18 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much 💕

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-11-05 04:43:18 +0000 UTC

Wow, thank you!

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-11-05 04:42:13 +0000 UTC

Thank you!

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-11-05 04:41:19 +0000 UTC

Can I just say that I have appreciated your very thorough coverage of this trial. To the extent that I recommended it to a colleague who is fascinated by true crime and wanted coverage. Thank you for being the eyes and ears. Also, I found Dr. John’s comments very cathartic, the hostile rhetoric has been… frustrating.

Megan Robinette

2024-11-05 04:37:23 +0000 UTC

Just came over after the last YT episode today and I’m glad I did ! Lauren you are so right on the mark about Abby and Libby, and John I’ve learned so much in this episode. Every time I watch one of your episodes, Lauren and watch as you report almost Word for Word what’s going on in court I can’t help but wonder how you’re holding up because that is some hard work-it’s important work that you’re doing and considering the circumstances, you are doing a phenomenal job. you’re not reporting for the local ABC network, you’re in the trenches, right in the middle of the good the bad and the ugly. Don’t understand why these people just don’t stop watching if they don’t like a channel, but I guess that’s for John to decipher anyway I respect the two of you and the work you’re doing keep it up. You are much appreciated and loved by your community and I am happy to say I’ve just become one of them.

Marisa S.

2024-11-05 04:36:25 +0000 UTC

I just joined your Patreon today. I was a viewer on YT for many months. I'm a nurse and have deep interest in all things psych, so ofc Dr. John's insights always interesting to me. However, you Lauren are the main reason I joined Patreon . I have been so impressed with your coverage on this case. I think you have been extremely professional. When you provide your opinion, you are careful to explain that. You have also made obvious personal sacrifices for the sake of this case. As a mom, I see you. ❤️ Please don't let haters get you down. Personally I think there were many errors the cops/state made. The things bothering me are the fact that no one has figured out bridge guys height, the lack of photo of bullet at crime scene, and the bullet was completely clean no prints, no debris, yet found under 2 inches of debris. I'm open to all evidence. Regardless of ppls opinions on his guilt vs innocence, there's zero reason for disrespect or vitriol. Only the jury decides the outcome of this case. The rest of us are just spectators. My love to Abby's and Libby's friends and family. May they have justice.

Mother of Rescues

2024-11-05 03:52:30 +0000 UTC

Yes Katelyn! BTW, the neuropsychologist who testified today brought an excellent perspective!

Kathleen Hand

2024-11-05 03:34:27 +0000 UTC

Lauren, I hope you don’t let the nasty emailers rent space in your mind or heart. I have been watching your coverage since the Chad Daybell trial and have been thankful for your dedication and authenticity.

RENE S

2024-11-05 02:40:55 +0000 UTC

Hang in there! I have been so impressed by your dedication and attention to detail, not to mention the long days and nights you are working to share this case. Long time fan and this conversation only deepened my admiration for you both.

Julie Maravilla

2024-11-05 02:38:34 +0000 UTC

I absolutely agree with you two. The victims are Abby, Libby, and their families. Also, I have empathy towards RA’s family. However, I am frustrated at his wife and mom not believing him when he confessed multiple times to them. Yet, they just blamed everyone else but him.

RENE S

2024-11-05 02:33:25 +0000 UTC

I was trying to figure out if he knew the details of the crime scene before he confessed. What he said about changing his mind about the SA, sorry to be graphic but it just made too much sense to be fake. I agree. I also wish we could see the google searches.

Kathleen Caroline

2024-11-05 02:32:35 +0000 UTC

Didn't RA give a very coherent timeline of the crime, stopping to get a six-pack, drinking 3 beers, going to the bridge, seeing the girls and following them to the end, telling them to go off the bridge, seeing how young they were, seeing the van and then killing instead of SAing them. That is not a confession told during a moment of delirium.

slamRN

2024-11-05 02:23:05 +0000 UTC

What Krissy said.

bk smith

2024-11-05 02:10:00 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr. John have run up on a nest of trolls. Those people just want to frustrate and waste time of productive people. Loons!

bk smith

2024-11-05 02:09:37 +0000 UTC

People are conflating what they think is appropriate treatment for inmates and whether he's guilty. Letting him free would not change how any other inmate is treated.

Laura M

2024-11-05 01:55:56 +0000 UTC

Edited by his Defense team

Laura M

2024-11-05 01:51:52 +0000 UTC

I think the same Lauren, about how the point is about THE GIRLS! I have to give it break while you were away, it's heartbreaking. I saw the level of demonizing Kelci, RL, BW and they were well investigated. Ty both! I was sitting a Lil toward defense when trial started and now after evidence I lean guilty without a doubt because of RA own words and actions.

D. Haskins

2024-11-05 01:49:28 +0000 UTC

I am glad you can laugh...but pls pls pls be careful dear Lauren.

D. Haskins

2024-11-05 01:44:16 +0000 UTC

I think Kathy Allen wrote that email. Lol

brenda redmond

2024-11-05 01:40:14 +0000 UTC

3rd comment lol His attorneys did him in injustice by not allowing him to make a formal confession.

brenda redmond

2024-11-05 01:36:11 +0000 UTC

I think Richard Allen had been looking over his shoulder for 5 years and it probably caused so much anxiety. He was just done. He was ready to get it off his chest.

brenda redmond

2024-11-05 01:34:29 +0000 UTC

Go Dr. John! I agree with him 💯

brenda redmond

2024-11-05 01:32:02 +0000 UTC

If he were psychotic …sitting in court all this time would have him singing “tip toe through the tulips “ 🤯

Diana Rubia

2024-11-05 01:28:56 +0000 UTC

I feel the same way!

D. Haskins

2024-11-05 01:22:24 +0000 UTC

Take a look at the pretrial ex parte communications sent to the judge in this case. Judge Gull posted them to the court docket on mycase.in.gov.

Katara

2024-11-05 00:52:16 +0000 UTC

You both are very inspirational 🥰

Kirsten C

2024-11-05 00:45:41 +0000 UTC

Wish I’d found your show years ago.

Kirsten C

2024-11-05 00:33:35 +0000 UTC

I’m sorry that you have received bad emails. I can only imagine. 🥰

Kirsten C

2024-11-05 00:28:32 +0000 UTC

Sorry if the question has been covered

Kirsten C

2024-11-05 00:24:19 +0000 UTC

Yes between the alibi, car, casing, jacket, confession matching the crime scene and van I think it’s pretty damming. I wish I could see/hear the interrogation and phone calls because all we have are transcripts and I like to hear tone, inflection etc for myself.

Chelsea Gervan

2024-11-05 00:23:40 +0000 UTC

Does this place require every juror to agree to the verdict?

Kirsten C

2024-11-05 00:23:12 +0000 UTC

Lauren, I agree with you on the craziness of this trial. Libby and Abby need and deserve justice. It seems that they have gotten lost in all of the maddness. This is about them yet they seem to fade in the background. What you do to bring us this trial and others is amazing. You are gone from your family, and the note taking, and going live when you can is insane. Thank you doesn't even cover it. It is appreciated.

Linda

2024-11-04 23:55:01 +0000 UTC

I’m curious about Dr. John’s take on the switch between when RA was being interrogated and staunchly denying he had anything to do with the murders to the in prison confessions.

Lauren Rencher

2024-11-04 23:40:30 +0000 UTC

I was unsure until his very chilling account of getting scared and slitting their throats. That I did believe. Also, Lauren is just stating what’s happening in court and is unbiased and doing an amazing job. All of us are so grateful.

Kathleen Caroline

2024-11-04 23:10:54 +0000 UTC

It’s maddening that so many people are “team RA!” What about Abby and Libby and what happened to them?! What about the evidence that proves his guilt?! What about the fact that RA looks like BG?! I’m totally floored, disgusted, and angry. Lauren, you’re doing a great job reporting on this case. I’m inspired by your hard work and dedication you’re pouring into this case. God bless you!!

Kimberley Barron

2024-11-04 21:27:37 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much, Lauren and John. You're sacrificing so much for our benefit. The email says more about the author than it does about you. Please stay safe coming/going from the courthouse and please don't go anywhere alone! I don't know how to articulate the reasons why, but I went into the trial thinking he was probably not guilty based on all the outrage on social media. After hearing the evidence, I'm convinced he did it! You're the only one reporting what is said and not reporting their opinions about it. I feel badly for the families sitting through this trial, and also for RA's family. None of them deserve or asked for this. Shame on the judge for not allowing this to be tried in the light! Justice for Abby and Libby!

Heather B

2024-11-04 21:17:13 +0000 UTC

Thanks Lauren and John!! K love this realness from John. Also Lauren is doing a fantastic job reporting on this. Truly the only non biased reporting I have come across

Lorraine Hunt

2024-11-04 21:09:45 +0000 UTC

I agree it sucks so there’s someone out there with so much hate in their heart. I just wanna let you Lauren and you Dr. John know that I greatly appreciate all your coverage personally, I haven’t seen anything that goes in as deeply and as compassionately as you guys do and I am a highly paid IT business professional and I appreciate you and think your spot on please don’t leave true crime

Robin Hill

2024-11-04 21:05:28 +0000 UTC

I looked at the DOC website and in reference to the 30 day policy it says this, “After 30 days in restrictive housing, the inmate should be removed from restrictive housing, unless the warden of the facility certifies that transferring the inmate to an alternative housing is clearly inappropriate.” so I’m not sure it’s as black and white as what you’re saying

CW

2024-11-04 20:47:24 +0000 UTC

You are doing a stellar job, Lauren and Dr. John!! Make like a duck and let it roll off! We love and appreciate you so much!

Becky Moses-Suarez

2024-11-04 20:43:45 +0000 UTC

I think the timing of RA acting out correlates with & is due to his wife, mother & lawyers refusing his trying to accept responsibility for slaughtering innocent Abby & Libby😇😇. They are tearing him apart & causing him to do strange even gross things, imho when he's not malingering. Nothing has been coerced from my view.

Kristen S

2024-11-04 20:33:12 +0000 UTC

I'm so saddened that someone sent you & John that awful, inaccurate, biased, hateful email Lauren. You are both kicking a*s delivering us truths, facts & copious amounts of relevant info on this case for Abby & Libby!! TY🤝🥰. That person should have written to Judge Gull about her not allowing cameras in her courtroom for this very important & complicated case against RA. Keep fighting the good fight👊! You're both truly amazing & accurate imo & are giving up so much to share this info with us. I'm truly grateful, TY both 🫶 Can't wait to meet & interact with my fellow hidden gems when I can catch a Live & not only take part with the Rewatch Crew😁. I'm now a member on Patreon as well as YouTube because you & your work is THAT outstanding!! My usual go-to was so biased that I just couldn't watch this with them, because I wanted facts & by major luck I found you 🙌🏼!!! I do very much appreciate your views/takes & insights when you &/or John choose to give them. Looking very forward to all trials with your excellent channel😁. Justice for Abby & Libby 😇😇 My best to all ~Kristen S 💜🤝🌻

Kristen S

2024-11-04 20:20:07 +0000 UTC

This case is so messy… you both don’t deserve to be treated this way. That person wanted to hurt you… that’s pretty messed up. Way too many emotions in my opinion and not enough analyzing the facts. Now that Lauren is reporting the facts we can analyze the evidence. THANK YOU!!!!! You are both respected and appreciated.

Chelsea Gervan

2024-11-04 20:10:54 +0000 UTC

The Wife and Mother know everything is recorded and can be used as evidence. They Have been told by his attorneys not to talk to him about the crime. Instead of keeping a killer behind bars and knowing the truth they would rather want silence. Personally, he just went cray cray right before trial and threatened to kill people because he was not allowed calls with his Mother and wife. The judge didn’t allow it but it happened. I personally don’t want a loose cannon out in society but it was the judges call. Prosecutors didn’t get it in before they rested.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 20:05:32 +0000 UTC

Keep on keeping on Lauren - We know where your heart is. You are there for the right reasons - thank you for bringing us along ❤️

Julie Wilburn

2024-11-04 20:02:37 +0000 UTC

It sounds like some of the videos show him looking very sedated. Which could be due to the tranquilizing effect of haldol.

Nicole Didyk

2024-11-04 20:02:19 +0000 UTC

Abby, Jane Marie and JG I sat on a jury the first week of Chad Daybell trial. It was such a learning experience. Now I live in a different state but nothing the defense says is to be considered. Their words are not evidence and the jury is instructed of this. The trial I was in lasted a week and it was a guilty verdict. Now at first some jurors were not sure but over time we looked at and discussed the facts and evidence. Nothing else. We looked at witness testimonies and photos and videos and used our “common sense”! Which thankfully our Judge emphasized. I hope this jury does the same. So many people out in you tube land do not understand law or evidence and use common sense. The whole point of the jury is to listen, note and take in the trial and the facts and evidence. The prison officials and police etc are not on trial. RA is! We have become a society that really can’t focus and is so worried about unrelated issues and emotions. Any who, let’s hope and pray for common sense and right over wrong. Rights are important but when you break the law and stalk, kidnap , sexually assault and kill your right is to not speak and get an attorney. Maybe Richard Allen should have thought about that.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 19:57:47 +0000 UTC

I am so sorry people are attacking you. I love your's and John's coverage of the cases. I learn a lot and appreciate what you do. Keep it up and know you have fans and make a difference.

Lara Eves

2024-11-04 19:52:28 +0000 UTC

I absolutely love how Dr John protects you Lauren, and the laughter that ensued was AWESOME! These trolls are just that TROLLS….Its interesting to me that people take the time out of their lives to send these kind of ridiculous emails. Hang in there, those of us that follow you and John know exactly how amazing you both are, your integrity, intelligence and empathy are what know no bounds. ❤️

Spring20

2024-11-04 19:48:07 +0000 UTC

Thank you, Holly. I am so grateful for your post. My heart feels a little less heavy.

Sue

2024-11-04 19:43:15 +0000 UTC

Grateful for you, Holly.

Sue

2024-11-04 19:38:18 +0000 UTC

I’m not Dr. John so take what I think with a big grain of salt, of course! But I think it all depends on whether the jury believes he’s in psychosis or not during the videos shared. I listened and believe the testimony that talked about how people in prison do the kinds of things he was doing in order to get attention (they are being manipulative). For example, it was testified to that inmates will smear their feces on themselves because they get attention and get to go take a private shower. In that context, if I were a jury member it would backfire that I was made to watch this guy play with himself sexually and with his feces. However, I’m worried that most people who see “psychotic-like” faking behavior will believe it because it’s just so foreign to what most people’s experience is that they can’t imagine it is fake. If they believe the behavior, I think it will benefit RA’s defense, unfortunately.

Abby

2024-11-04 19:29:28 +0000 UTC

Thank you Kay I totally agree. I'm still watching and listening to see if anything could give me reasonable doubt..none so far. Namaste'

Jane Marie

2024-11-04 19:22:15 +0000 UTC

Well said! I feel like everything the defense is bringing up is just a distraction from the facts. They haven’t brought up anything that negates the facts against him that matter IMO. I’m confused how so many people see it differently.

Abby

2024-11-04 19:21:37 +0000 UTC

I can’t understand why his wife and mother never considered his confessions could be true. If my husband confessed something like that to me I would be shocked and horrified and absolutely struggle with disbelief but I would ask questions. I’m so heartbroken for Abby, Libby, and their families, I worry they won’t get justice.

CBell

2024-11-04 19:19:58 +0000 UTC

Abby in reference to your comment on my comment about not becoming crazy overnight..I was referring to Dr. John's reference about "planfulness" and psychosis (and yes he is the expert speaking). If I misunderstood him I apologize but for now I will stick to believing that yes you can have a situational psychosis but that doesn't make you crazy/psychotic. You still need others factors to be present for about 6 months i believe.

Jane Marie

2024-11-04 19:15:56 +0000 UTC

Thank you both!!! Can't wait to hear more of both your thoughts.

Rebecca

2024-11-04 19:14:53 +0000 UTC

To me it feels a lot like the hype & insanity surrounding Steven Avery after “Making a Murderer” was first released. Or even a little like Gypsy Blanchard.. our society is so gross sometimes.

Tami

2024-11-04 19:12:40 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr. John - You are both doing a great job covering a very sad and difficult trial. Don’t let the haters get you down. There are so many more of us who appreciate what you do, and rely on you for fair and accurate coverage. Thank you for all you do.

Leslyn Kraus

2024-11-04 19:09:37 +0000 UTC

Also, other than the unique setting of working with criminals in the culture of prison, Dr. Walla’s role was the same as any psychologist that treats any patient. In therapy, a psychologist needs to establish a “therapeutic alliance” with a patient in order for therapy to be effective. That means the therapist needs to have positive regard and empathy for the patient. The patient’s wellbeing is the focus. Therefore, it’s a conflict of interest and a clinical psychologist won’t be able to be as impartial about their patient as a forensic psychologist whose job is simply to assess X, Y, Z about the inmate and testify for the prosecution. Clinical psychologists typically try really hard to disclose as little as humanly possible about their patients if they are required to testify in court. Again, their job is to benefit their patient…their duty is to their patient. They aren’t just an impartial expert witness and trying to put them in that role is…icky.

Abby

2024-11-04 19:09:29 +0000 UTC

This is spot on. Great job! Agree.

JG

2024-11-04 18:56:51 +0000 UTC

Really appreciate your thoughts 💙

CBell

2024-11-04 18:55:16 +0000 UTC

Yes. I respect John' views a lot. But in this case if he hasn't listened to the reports or people in the courtroom he doesn't have the full story. I feel like both he and Lauren thought he was guilty going into the trial, so they are looking to confirm that. There are other people who are on the other side trying to confirm their views. But anyone who doesn't question the way this prosecution has been handled and how the judge has locked this trial firm and is not allowing the defense a fair trial, need to dig a little deeper. As an attorney following this very closely, I am very troubled. I don't know who committed this heinous crime or if RA is guilty, but I do know this is not how our justice system is supposed to work. If it can happen to RA, it can happen to you or your loved ones.

MMB

2024-11-04 18:45:40 +0000 UTC

I can’t remember a case where I thought the defendant might be innocent either. I’m not ignorant or refusing to listen to both sides. I just think there is reasonable doubt after looking at everything. I desperately want justice for Libby and Abby. I’m just not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that RA is guilty and could not convict him based on what has been presented. You are not alone in your opinion!

Holly Hoch

2024-11-04 18:44:06 +0000 UTC

So Dr. Walla’s job was to treat RA. Part of her job in this prison setting seems to be the point person to advocate for patients with the psychiatrist in order for them to receive any needed medication. The incarceration setting is somewhat unique in that it’s very common for inmates to fake psychotic symptoms in order to get what they want. So when Dr. Walla treated RA, she had to determine whether she thinks he was genuinely in need of anti-psychotic (or other) medication. She won’t want the patient to be over-medicated if they are faking. And her therapy approach will also be different with the patient if they are faking. But her reason for assessing their mental state is for the inmate’s benefit — for their proper mental health treatment and wellbeing. With a few specific exceptions, treating (clinical) therapists have a primary duty to their patient and their patient’s wellbeing as well as their patient’s privacy. Making Dr. Walla basically testify for the prosecution in the manner they did is really icky, ethically, because her job is to treat RA, not to testify in court against him. Therapists usually try really hard to disclose as little as possible about their patients if they are required to testify in court about them. It gets into a very ethical gray area. But the prosecution really used Dr. Walla in the role that a forensic psychologist that wasn’t treating RA should have filled. Dr. John was trying to say that it should be the job of a forensic psychologist to assess RA for the purposes of testifying to RA’s mental state in court. That shouldn’t be a role that is mixed with the role that his treating therapist should hold. I believe an outside forensic psychologist could review video evidence and notes, as well as test RA to determine patterns of behavior that indicate faking psychosis or not (for the purposes of the court knowing if he was/is sane when he said things). I hope that helps!

Abby

2024-11-04 18:37:20 +0000 UTC

Last night as this played I commented and Dr. John is spot on! Richard Allen by his own words admitted he killed Libby and Abby! No one forced him to! He was mentally ill before he went to jail and was on medication. He has issues with sex! He admitted to being and doing SA! He went to his Mother’s that day in February and instead of going to lunch with his Mother and Sister he drank three beers! Umhhh does he have issues with females? His Mom? His sister? Then he went home to bundle up on a warm day! Boots, layers, big jacket, scarf, hat! Wonder about the scarf? Got his gun and box cutter! Drive to the bridge and did he drink more beers? He admits he was there his car was there. He walks to the bridge. He goes to look for fish! He likes fishing. Who really are the fish? What is he fishing for? Just wanted to watch the fish! He sees the fish and girls. Four girls he says are three. He sees two alone! I believe he waited for them and trapped them. He says he did! He ordered them using his gun for intimidation to get them down the embankments! Libby’s phone documents it. Libby and Abby document also on the phone with their words and video. Down they go there is evidence of the slide in the mud and leaves. Then he is going to assault them. He gets them across the water out of sight and makes them undress. He uses the gun again to intimidate. He sees Abby so young! Then maybe he hears and sees the van! No time to R them. Maybe he lets Abby dress. Or maybe Libby helps dress Abby? I think he kills Abby first. Libby runs or fights back. He kills her and drags her over to Abby! He tries to hide what he has done! He tries to hide their wounds. He tries to hide their bodies but he needs to leave. He leaves throwing clothes in the water or some were discarded while crossing? He is seen leaving on the road muddy and bloody! He knows he has been seen! He does admit to the police, it is not me on the bridge if it is on the girls picture from the phone. I think Libby hid the phone. Why the box cutter to the throat? No noise, no drawing attention. Did the girls scream maybe? Maybe he used a bra around Abby’s mouth. Why so much force against Libby? Maybe she tried to run, maybe she tried to scream or struggle? If anyone thinks RA is innocent just listen to his confession, listen to his call with his wife and his Mother! RA states he has sex addiction and molesting! He has a conscious and wants to be loved even though he has done this and other things! He has killed the girls and his life and his families lives. He has killed his life with his future! Why does his family not believe him even when he admits it. Denial that their son or husband could be a child killer. All the defense theory and words are a circus. Were there mistakes? Yes but the facts and evidence is there. It is a time line, who was there video footage and yes confession! In the end it is not about the defense their words are not evidence. The jury should and I say should only look at the evidence! Not RA being in jail or prison but the evidence from that February day. The words of confession and the case in totality! Small town has now gone crazy. Maybe that is why the judge stuck to how a small town court is done? Do I agree? No but that doesn’t matter. What matters is Libby and Abby did not die for being carefree girls on a nice day in a park! This is a safe space to put this whether you agree or disagree! I have not commented much out in chat. I pray the families get justice and that the perpetrator is confined for the rest of his life. So he can not ever molest, stalk, sexual assault or kill anymore!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 18:25:44 +0000 UTC

I am so sad you received such a terrible letter. I really adore both of you and think you are extremely fair, even if I still have serious questions about this case.

Holly Hoch

2024-11-04 18:11:20 +0000 UTC

I have sat on two juries that convicted the defendant. I believe in innocent until proven guilty but generally when I watch trials I end up finding the defendant guilty being reasonable doubt after watching the arguments from both sides. In this case, I don’t see evidence beyond reasonable doubt and there is no justice for Abby and Libby if the wrong person is convicted. I’m very torn and want to see justice. I will have to trust the jury to make whatever is the right decision.

Holly Hoch

2024-11-04 18:09:34 +0000 UTC

On the discussion at the end--I totally agree. It reminds me of #metoo. So many people defending rapists, because they think that they might be falsely accused.

MP

2024-11-04 17:56:19 +0000 UTC

Exactly and if we had Mr. Allen’s phone maybe we would have seen what was on it that made it non existence!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 17:37:11 +0000 UTC

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t! He went in with mental illness and that was before be held in incarceration.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 17:29:51 +0000 UTC

Also, question for Dr John: could showing video of RA displaying mental health symptoms to jury backfire for defense? Could jurors think he is acting like someone who would commit horrible crimes? Thank you.

Nicole Didyk

2024-11-04 17:28:36 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr John, don't listen to the negative comments. Being professionals, I am sure you will take it in stride. I so appreciate your voices. Glad you have each other to laugh with! Stay in the game, you two.

Nicole Didyk

2024-11-04 17:24:56 +0000 UTC

I wish I could say that I am surprised by this hateful, ignorant comment that was wrongly made about Lauren, but sadly I am not. I live 20 minutes from Delphi Indiana and have been heavily invested in finding justice for the victims since Valentines day of 2017. I have seen so much hatred towards others and it's disgusting. With all that being said, every single the Patty's, Williams, Germans, and all the victims have done in honor of these beautiful girls is amazing and inspiring. I will continue to focus on the beautiful lives these girls lived and the victims fight for justice, not the ignorance! Lauren, I honestly didn't think you could handle coming back to all this, but you are so strong and so loving and I am so proud of youn and beyond grateful ! Dr. John, you sir are a voice of reason and humanity, I wish we had someone with your passion in court! Forever a grateful gem, thank you both.💜🩵💜🩵

Renee Gruze

2024-11-04 17:17:09 +0000 UTC

OMG that letter. I would love five minutes to rebut those people.

MyssiAnne

2024-11-04 17:10:39 +0000 UTC

As someone who works for the DOC I can say the description dr John provided isn’t 100% accurate. No hate but a lot has changed with restrictive housing.. federal law said you can only hold someone in RHousing for 30 days maximum but Allen was held in wayyyy longer than that for his “safety”. Inmates do get to have communication with loved one via phone/tablet and writing once a week while in RH. This is DOC policy and has been for years. While I can understand John’s viewpoints - I would hope one could see there is at least reasonable doubt because this case was not investigated properly.

Katelyn Roy

2024-11-04 16:46:02 +0000 UTC

Maybe Dr. John can do an episode on the conspiracy nutters who are supporting Richard Allen. Not kidding. Conspiracies are poisoning every aspect of our society, including our justice system. It’s maddening. Thank you for your coverage and rational thinking. It’s refreshing!

Lisa

2024-11-04 16:42:28 +0000 UTC

Oh my GOD that email! I'm glad you're able to laugh about it Lauren. My feelings would be hurt, even knowing that what they're saying is baseless and untrue. Ugh. I'm sorry.

Johanna Farra

2024-11-04 16:39:18 +0000 UTC

OMG, I am listening to the part where Dr John is reading the letter!!! I am shocked, just shocked. I love you and Dr John. I feel that you are the most humble and compassionate channel in True Crime. I have never felt you were trying to sway people one way or another. You have occasionally given your opinion on something but immediately followed up with, "This is just my opinion., This is just Lauren speaking:" You have always told just facts. If you need to find something good from this e-mail...what I found was the wonderful sound of Dr John's laugh..so that is what I will take from that letter and keep with me and I think you should too and let the rest of it go. To be honest, I am having trouble following the trial, but it is not because of you. Personally, I find it hard to follow a trial just from a transcript and not being able to watch it. But that has nothing to do with you. Please keep doing what you do. We love you both and believe in you and your channel.

IslandGirl

2024-11-04 16:29:29 +0000 UTC

Is it possible for coercion to be through threats and intimidation? The kind that live on in someone's decision making, etc? It doesn't have to be 18 hours without food and water always right? Devil's advocate question only.

Johanna Farra

2024-11-04 16:25:46 +0000 UTC

I agree. Evidence is badly lacking, and may have been manipulated by LE. However I also respect Lauren’s coverage, and Dr. John’s knowledgeable opinion based on many years of working with inmates. It is important to know all viewpoints. I disagree that people who question LE are “conspiracy theorists “. In all trials it is important to understand both the prosecution and the defense. It is my hope that Abby and Libby receive the justice that they deserve. I’m very for their families. It is not justice to charge and convict someone based on poor evidence. I appreciate all of those who are reporting on this case under very difficult circumstances and conditions. Thank you Lauren 💙

Shirley

2024-11-04 16:14:40 +0000 UTC

There’s 2 different questions at play: 1) did he do it? And 2) can the state prove it beyond reasonable doubt? To 2), unless the state has a great rebuttal, I don’t think they’ve met their burden. But I feel about that similarly to how I felt about OJ- grudgingly glad that the process worked and pissed on behalf of the victims and their families that the cops beefed it. It’s beyond tragic that no matter the outcome, there will always be questions and those poor little girls and families will have to live with that cloud over any justice that might be had

Mara S

2024-11-04 16:02:31 +0000 UTC

Dear Abby. So sorry that my comment was upsetting to you. I don’t know if the prosecution can or has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s basically what I’m saying. The decision is really going to be up to the jury. I want justice for Abby and Libby. The jury will decide.

Shirley

2024-11-04 15:57:10 +0000 UTC

Lauren, I am SO grateful for your honesty, integrity and hard work in this case. A lot of true crime podcasters and YouTubers have literally changed to team Richard Allen due to the mob of angry people. All of this started with the defence team filing their Franks motion as a way to leak sensitive information and a conspiracy theory to these people on YouTube, even going so far as leaking the crime scene photos of the girls, intentionally I believe, to feed the nutters on YouTube. More than ever we need your rational voice speaking objective truths. Abby and Libby need it. I will support you in all your endeavours. Thank you Lauren and Dr John ❤️

Colleen Bruce

2024-11-04 15:53:11 +0000 UTC

Thank you, Lauren & Dr John!!! This is absolutely fascinating!

Rena Dwelle

2024-11-04 15:50:17 +0000 UTC

I keep asking these people if they’re willing to defend ALL accused murderers, like Stephan Sterns, the way they’re doing for Mr. Allen because Sterns has been held in almost identical conditions since March. Oddly enough, none have responded to that question lol

Tami

2024-11-04 15:45:52 +0000 UTC

Thank you! Dr. John articulated what I have been thinking! Keep up the great work, Lauren!

Tonella

2024-11-04 15:38:56 +0000 UTC

I cannot love you guys more. I appreciate your ethical coverage of this case (and others). The narrative out there is being shaped by grifty defense lawyers with an agenda and people are falling for it! You are the best at what you do, Lauren!

Marlies Toews

2024-11-04 15:32:17 +0000 UTC

Exactly!!

Lizzy

2024-11-04 15:32:01 +0000 UTC

THANK YOU DR JOHN!!! Finally a voice of reason! I hope the prosecution has someone who can speak these truths to the jury. Somehow the baby killer has become the victim and it’s so gross. I only hope this murderer doesn’t go free and the jury sees through it

Colleen Bruce

2024-11-04 15:23:28 +0000 UTC

No you are getting the wrong background information. Andrea Burkhart flat out embellishes everything if not lying. Andrea only just started talking about Delphi on her channel since the trial($$$$). She is unlistenable now. Now I hear she’s reading the minds of the jurors. She’s talking with Baldwin in courthouse. She’s getting photos taken with free RA protesters outside. She spoke with Becky and said she’s there for RA 6th Amendment rights. Who does that? If you think odinist did it, then you’ve really drunk the koolaid. Bob Motta is the biggest charlatan of them all but I won’t get into that snake.

Cats&Dogs

2024-11-04 15:22:15 +0000 UTC

Thanks Nancy...I feel like I shouldn't be silenced but that is the effect hostility has on some people.

Cindy Ginter

2024-11-04 15:14:01 +0000 UTC

I always value Dr John’s insights and professional opinion. Lauren, thank you for all of your hard work on this case. I feel for the jury as this would be hard to determine what to make of his mental health if you don’t have input from a forensic psychologist.

LoriM

2024-11-04 15:12:05 +0000 UTC

Honestly Cindy - it makes you worry for the jurors, doesn’t it? I’m so saddened by the hate this awful murder has brought out in people. I’m sorry that happened to you.

Nancy Fowler

2024-11-04 15:11:00 +0000 UTC

PS - love how Dr John, as always, pointed out how this trial is affecting the everyday person with their own fears about being accused of a crime. I love challenging myself mentally and appreciate how Dr John helps me do that.

Nancy Fowler

2024-11-04 15:09:07 +0000 UTC

100% I was listening to some of them at the beginning to try and understand the legal facts — but quickly realized none of those channels focus on facts at all. It’s crazy! And they are hyping all these people up to look away from the actual facts.

Carly Fontana

2024-11-04 15:07:03 +0000 UTC

Also — I’m so sorry you have hate mail. I know it’s hard to block it out sometime, but I’m also happy to hear you be able to laugh about it. It is very ridiculous.

Carly Fontana

2024-11-04 15:03:20 +0000 UTC

Thanks to you and Dr John. You are both amazing. I appreciate you bringing the facts, and Dr. John’s perspective. I feel like there is a heavy defense narrative out there, but it’s ignoring so many of the facts out there to fit there narrative. I think you guys could do an awesome collab with the prosecutors podcast to lay it out with the law portion in addition to the psychology from John and your journalism Lauren. Thank you for putting facts out there for Libby & Abby.

Carly Fontana

2024-11-04 14:58:30 +0000 UTC

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John. People who use ad hominem attacks have no factual argument, they are just spewing their feelings at you. Keep up the great work!

Linda Barney

2024-11-04 14:41:04 +0000 UTC

Haters? That's just hateful! I think what we love about you, Lauren, is what you bring to the table. I don't want a news report, I want your thoughts and opinions. There are several other you tubers out there with brutal rants of opinions that are so bad I move along. Hidden True Crime brings fascinating details and we get to appreciate your family dynamic, too!

Carla Perkins

2024-11-04 14:26:08 +0000 UTC

I’m so disgusted by the pro-defense discourse on YT because it’s all based on emotion, not actual evidence & objective reasoning. Lauren has basically been reading transcripts of what was said in court.. every other channel only “reports” on what’s beneficial for the defense lol the way folks are behaving is just wild! It’s giving the same energy as all the people who blindly supported Steven Avery after watching the highly biased “Making a Murderer”…

Tami

2024-11-04 14:21:34 +0000 UTC

Lauren, don’t listen to all the haters! That’s a reflection of their own issues and hang ups. You are doing a great job! Thank you for taking the time from your family and working so hard to get all of us the info about this case. You are a great journalist!

Tiffany Brabham

2024-11-04 14:15:26 +0000 UTC

I am so saddened by the hate mail you all are getting, but not at all shocked. This case brings all manner of crazies out of the woodwork. Lauren’s coverage of Delphi has been some of the best and the most neutral of everyone covering the case. I’ve recommended you to many people, and all of them have been so impressed by your coverage. Keep fighting the good fight guys, this space needs your perspective.

Ashley MacVeigh

2024-11-04 14:09:19 +0000 UTC

OMG, I'm sorry, people are CRAYYYYY. But I also laughed out loud, cause WOW, it's the juxtaposition of ignorant rants and you working your ass off and being fair and clear, dear lord. My dad was an Episcopal priest in the 1990s and he worked hard for people living with AIDS. He'd get hate mail daily. We video taped my brother (with wool scarf in front of the fireplace for full effect) reading one of the violent, angry letters and at the end quietly said, "Merry Christmas" - you just have to take the piss out of it. Love you guys. Hang in there, and if you can't - don't! We'll follow you if you are here, take a break, do what you need to do. xo

Becky (Rebecca Randall)

2024-11-04 14:00:37 +0000 UTC

Thank you, to both, Lauren and Dr. John. You have the gift, of being professional, and, also, down to earth- meaning, you explain things, clearly- so everyone, can understand. This, is an extra, hard trial, to report on and explain. You are both, doing an excellent job. Thank you

CG1

2024-11-04 13:58:02 +0000 UTC

Re: Dr. John’s comments on Dr. Walla: Didn’t the prosecution ask her, on the stand, to comment on whether or not she believed he was feigning psychosis? Shouldn’t that have been grounds for an objection, if t Walla’s relationship with him was therapeutic and it would’ve been unethical for her to diagnose, as I think Dr John suggests? I guess the question is a matter of opinion ands was asked of many non-experts witnesses, but I don’t know. It just seems like it could be misleading to the jury to have a therapist on the stand opining as to Allen’s diagnosis (psychosis or no) when the jury isn’t necessarily aware that she is not in a position to make those kinds of claims, despite the expert nature of her title and treatment by the prosecution. Idk. Am I splitting hairs here?

Alysa Schroff

2024-11-04 13:57:10 +0000 UTC

Lauren and John- Thank god for the two of you. I so appreciate everything you are both doing on this case! So much insight and perspective. With so much ‘noise’ in this case and as someone who does not have intimate knowledge of the legal system (thankfully) this is really something to make sense of. Even the notion of being tortured vs. RA feeling tortured gives me a broader perspective to consider. I just cannot overstate how grateful I am for your coverage Lauren- and your consistent awesomeness as a journalist and as a human being trying to bring light to how these two murdered girls ended up dead. You make us all proud everyday. Stay safe - the world needs you both ❣️

Lisa M Ray

2024-11-04 13:43:12 +0000 UTC

Oh my goodness people are so unhinged. You're doing a fabulous job. Keep going - I'm glad you can laugh about the loons. Hugs!

Lydia Rodarte Quayle

2024-11-04 13:33:57 +0000 UTC

Lauren, you are the best! Your note taking is the most CLEAR out of all the creators I've seen who are in court! Please keep giving us your "bundle of crap"!

of all things

2024-11-04 13:33:21 +0000 UTC

Thank you for your responses. I am very grateful. SpicyBeautifulDisaster, I have all those same concerns. This whole situation is extremely sad.

Sue

2024-11-04 13:32:53 +0000 UTC

Yup- I probably wrote that comment prematurely before John addressed it ;-)

Tad Auty

2024-11-04 13:28:53 +0000 UTC

I am so sorry you had to go through that. Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

Sue

2024-11-04 13:24:23 +0000 UTC

I made one comment.."the confessions and the bullet" were really compelling to me. Then I received two hostile comments and realized I wasn't safe to comment. I am not as strong as Lauren has to be in this trial by any stretch but you guys are brilliant, compassionate and on the right side of this as always. I am so angry that the victims are getting lost in this rhetoric. Hang in! Love you guys!

Cindy Ginter

2024-11-04 13:19:56 +0000 UTC

Lauren stay strong.

Lois Gadway

2024-11-04 13:19:36 +0000 UTC

Yeah what is it? People need to be angry? People need to express their hostilities?yes and they forget that 2 children and 2 families are destroyed.

Lois Gadway

2024-11-04 13:17:09 +0000 UTC

Excuse but where did I say that ALL LawTube think he is not guilty. Are you family with generalisation. Please stop commenting on my posts

Chrissy Jackson

2024-11-04 13:09:32 +0000 UTC

It sounds like she didn’t do testing because it wasn’t her job to do testing. She wasn’t in the role of a forensic psychologist.

Heidi

2024-11-04 13:07:57 +0000 UTC

Not all of LawTube thinks he’s not guilty. If you watch any of the non defense attorney creators, they very much say he will be found guilty.

Rebecca Hayes

2024-11-04 13:02:02 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much for your reporting, it’s so hard to really find factual information that is not somehow from any side of this trial. I’m sorry that this has turned into such a circus for the family’s of Abby and Libby and journalists and reporters. And yes - I actually just joined Patreon and would also recommend to stay here for a while about this case - it’s wild out there.

Tanja Skok

2024-11-04 12:44:54 +0000 UTC

I agree. The ballistics expert not being able to replicate markings until after firing the weapon and saying a cycled bullet and a fired bullet are from the same gun doesn’t make sense to me. I also think it’s fantastical that 1 man could have controlled 2 victims, killed them, and not gotten any blood on them. The only reason I question the confessions is because I experienced a year of psychological torture by my now ex. It can happen a little at a time. I was able to watch tv and call family, but I was tortured nonetheless. I think there should have been more investigation before going to trial because the evidence they have now isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt to me. On top of that the judge is going out of her way to make it extremely difficult for people to know what’s happening in court. Why? If someone can give me a good reason I’m all ears. But now I think the state has a person to put on trial and they want a guilty verdict so the case can be closed and the town can move on. I know that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but to me it makes sense.

SpicyBeautifulDisaster

2024-11-04 12:44:43 +0000 UTC

These are days where there is little respect for others opinions. We feel we can control the dialog and rip people who don't support our viewpoint. When I think of it it's probably been like that for some time, it's just social media that has brought this to the forefront. Be careful Lauren & John as you know there are unpredictable crazies out there. That picture of Lauren at the bridge gave off bad vibes, I can see how locals can lean into Odinism for an explanation. Less fearful than your neighbor. It was done since the beginning of time. That's why there are werewolves myths, etc. Easier to deal with, I guess than the fact there are sadistic serial killers in your neighborhood. Sorry about the rambling, just stay safe.

Maryanne Bourgeois

2024-11-04 12:32:49 +0000 UTC

I so agree with you Sue. There is definitely something fishy going on there. They don’t want to admit that they didn’t do a good investigation.

Patty Glissmann

2024-11-04 12:23:43 +0000 UTC

I’m not saying that he should not be held. There is a difference between jail and prison. He should have stayed in jail.

Patty Glissmann

2024-11-04 12:22:07 +0000 UTC

This trial is a very difficult situation. I look at this through my own history of being subjected to psychological torture for a year by my now ex. I feel that since the trial isn’t even covered by an audio recording I know we’re only getting a partial understanding regardless of how good the reporting is.

SpicyBeautifulDisaster

2024-11-04 12:15:00 +0000 UTC

Dr. John hit the nail on the head here. The RA defenders use the same rhetoric as conspiracy theorists. They are so entrenched in their views that they seem oblivious to the evidence that is heard in court and impartially reported by HTC. I am waiting for something that proves RA innocent, but so far, I have not heard it.

Dave Carroll

2024-11-04 11:55:56 +0000 UTC

Thank you Dr John for your psychological analysis. It has been helpful. Thank you Lauren for your diligent reporting on this bizarre case

SpicyBeautifulDisaster

2024-11-04 11:55:30 +0000 UTC

As for the hate mail like John read... their words are screaming their ignorance. Close minded ignorance. Clearly unwilling to actually listen to the facts with an open mind before establishing your own guilty or not guilty thoughts. I'd gone back and forth on guilt until recently.. do I think yes the state could have handle some things in a better way, some of the states witnesses may have not been as helpful as they could have been, sure.. but that doesn't make RA not guilty. And sorry if my comments are all a jumbled mess lol commenting as I'm listening at 630 am just 10 mins away from Delphi. 🙃

D

2024-11-04 11:53:32 +0000 UTC

I have been following Andrea Burkhart for this case. When I hear this I really feel John doesn't know enough of the background to know what has happened here... before he made this confession he told his wife or mother he thought he was going mad... Honestly I think he was actually. The odinism torture does make a lot of sense to me if you read through the whole document by the defence. This is a difficult situation.

Jantine Urban

2024-11-04 11:47:57 +0000 UTC

1. I’m so sorry people are sending you disgusting emails and 2. Dr John- amazing as always

Shelley Grigsby-Maxey

2024-11-04 11:47:57 +0000 UTC

Thank you for your response. I love your channel. For the first time I must admit am not completely convinced that I agree with all the opinions, though Dr John has said he needs more details. I guess hearing what the defence presents will be illuminating one way or another. In the end I think we all want the same thing - to see justice for those little girls. One point Dr John touched on was the way that false confessions usually require coercion and one type can be internalised, could this explain RA confession to his wife and mother? Based on legal summary by Andrea Burkart (see interview on Grizzly True Crime) and reviews of jury reactions to videos on your HTC channel (and lawyer Lee) it sounded like RA’s treatment may have been outside the prison policy and humane practice, could it be that he felt coerced, especially given his fragile mental health? I also want you to know that I really appreciate all that HTC does, and the combination of your journalism and forensic psych perspectives are brilliant.

Heidi Chapman

2024-11-04 11:38:25 +0000 UTC

Here I am commenting this 15 mins in & then Dr. John says exactly what Im thinking. Gen Pop would have ate him alive. They don't believe innocent until proven guilty.. they don't see him as someone awaiting trial.

D

2024-11-04 11:38:12 +0000 UTC

The prison didn't ask for him to be held there.. they hold convicted people. That's what they do and are use to doing. You can't expect a prison like that to know exactly how to handle a person who's acting this way in a different way than they normally do just because he is the one non convicted person there. He was getting as much special treatment as they likely could while still running a big prison with convicted.

D

2024-11-04 11:31:10 +0000 UTC

Thank you

Marianne Van Harn

2024-11-04 11:29:38 +0000 UTC

I've always said to myself stop calling it solitary confinement.. he was more so in protection/suicide watch. He was given as much as they could give him without it being a detriment to his safety. Theyre using him being held in this cell with minimal interactions with others as their defense... but had they put him in gen pop and he was harmed by other inmates they would have been saying "you should have been protecting him, he was not convicted blah blah blah"

D

2024-11-04 11:25:50 +0000 UTC

Oh my gosh, I am so happy Dr. John clarified this! I was so annoyed people shift focus of this trial from the real victims to RA as the victim. Public are taking defense's words as fact!

Lenny Wen

2024-11-04 11:15:50 +0000 UTC

Does Dr John have any thoughts on why RA went to trial rather than pleading out with all the previous confessions?

Chrissy Jackson

2024-11-04 11:05:41 +0000 UTC

Yes we’ve reported on it. We respectfully disagree

Lauren and John Matthias

2024-11-04 11:03:55 +0000 UTC

I am so confused by this case. I hear Dr John and I’m like “yeah he confessed, he did it” and then I listen to LawTube and I’m convinced they got the wrong man. I have no idea how these jurors are going to decide.

Chrissy Jackson

2024-11-04 10:58:47 +0000 UTC

oh man i am so sorry that you get such shitty messages. You are both so great. I myself am torn as to whether this man is really guilty. Especially because i think the law enforcement did such a bad job and especially because the public is excluded from the courtroom. that triggers my suspicious streak. But I'm also realistic and go by the evidence. And Lauren, for you to take on so much for us and be away from your family and then to be attacked so inappropriately really scares me. I want to thank you and Dr. John from the bottom of my heart for all the hardships you are taking on for the truth. I send you my love and lots of hugs from Germany!

Selene Genovese

2024-11-04 10:57:44 +0000 UTC

Also I am so sorry Lauren for the negative feedback you have received. It was really heartbreaking to hear. You have dedicated so much time and energy into this case and you don't deserve any negativity. People fail to accept that other people are able to have an opinion different from their own.

Peter and Carly H

2024-11-04 10:53:01 +0000 UTC

I completely agree with you Sue. I desperately want Justice for Abby and Libby, however I am not yet convinced RA is the perpetrator of this crime. I am open to being convinced otherwise, but at this point in time there simply isn't enough evidence to convict him. I have also been listening to Andrea Burkhart who is also attending the trial. She has more than 20 years experience as a Criminal defense attorney and I trust her opinion on this case. She also believes RA is innocent and is appalled at the negligence and wrong doing by the State prosecution and Judge Gull. I look forward to Lauren's further coverage of this case and will do my best to remain open as the evidence presents itself. Thank you Lauren for your unwavering hard work and commitment to this case.

Peter and Carly H

2024-11-04 10:50:48 +0000 UTC

He was given a tablet which he broke and later when he started eating his bible etc the powers that be (I think Walla) hustled to get him another one. I think the calls were happening on that. She seemed to need to help him make the calls.

Naomi Brewster

2024-11-04 10:31:48 +0000 UTC

Oh! Quick question — has anyone caught how RA was able to make so many phone calls and what his special phone privileges were? I don’t recall (pun intended) anyone mentioning, specifically, if he had access to a phone in his cell or what he had to do to make a call.

Abby

2024-11-04 10:27:16 +0000 UTC

Love the fact that John was keeping it real talking about grocery shopping and washing at the start of the podcast. Lol. I think sometimes it's easy to forget that the majority of YouTubers have lives consisting of the same mundane everyday tasks that the rest of us do!

Emma Cook

2024-11-04 10:13:38 +0000 UTC

He made confessions long before he was given Haldol (so check your facts). People awaiting trial for heinous crimes such as this are always detained while they await trial. They have a right to a speedy trial, and they can wave that right if they want more time to prepare for trial. It’s how it works. They are a huge flight risk, usually a suicide risk, and at risk for being killed by any inmates at a jail or prison facility. They can’t just let them go to await their trial. Part of me wishes you got your wish…if he wasn’t held the way they did to protect him, he would have either killed himself (like he said he wanted to), been killed or seriously injured by other inmates (who made threats due to the crime he is accused of), and he probably would have been SA’d at some point. Would you prefer that? What exactly do you think the other options were? If you have an argument with the larger criminal justice system and how it works, that has nothing to do with this case and how it was handled, because it was pretty standard based on what he was accused of and what they had to do to keep him safe to get him to trial. It may not be ideal, but it’s the reality of how the system works. Sorry this is apparently news to you.

Abby

2024-11-04 10:10:41 +0000 UTC

People charged with heinous crimes like this are always held while awaiting trial. Part of me wishes he’d of gotten your wish for him because then he wouldn’t be here today — he would have either killed himself or someone else would have killed him, and he probably would have received some ACTUAL torture (in the form of SA) at some point.

Abby

2024-11-04 09:54:53 +0000 UTC

Great to hear Dr John on this, although I disagree with him a little about the causality of the Free Richard Allen fans unless he means less political party and more what drives people to their political opinions. Anti Government can be a left or right or libertarian view. I’m following the John o’Keefe murder trial and I am constantly shocked by the behavior of people who want to “Free Karen read”. The behavior of this group, and their unwillingness to look at evidence in the most reasonable and dispassionate viewing has been almost incomprehensible for someone like me who went to law school and has a bit of knowledge of how evidence and the law works. Anyway, I’m mostly came here to say that in response to Johns shock: Free Karen Read would like a word. (I’d love to know what HTC thanks about that case, but I used to feel that way about Emily Baker who I really liked. The level of disappointment I have in her cannot be expressed, and I would hate to feel that way about lauren and John, so be careful what you wish for lol)

Coffee Kristin

2024-11-04 09:49:01 +0000 UTC

People can slip into a psychotic episode after a stressful event (so yes, they do “become crazy” overnight). Psychosis is something that can come on with extreme stress, and it’s possible the discovery information caused him extreme stress in top of everything and that pushed him into a psychotic state. HOWEVER. Assessing whether or not RA was psychotic at any point is the job of a psychologist. In this specific context, the expert to assess this would be a criminal or forensic psychologist, because they are trained to detect faking vs. real psychosis. They are aware of the ways that people in prison commonly fake “ crazy” behavior. Was RA ever psychotic at any time? No way to know for sure because they didn’t really bring in any other experts to evaluate him and tell us. We only have his clinical psychologist and she says he did have one episode of psychosis but it didn’t encompass the entire period he was confessing at all. Even if RA was psychotic, it doesn’t mean that he didn’t kill the girls and it doesn’t mean that his confessions were false confessions. It could just mean that he had a temporary episode of psychosis and during that time his confessions got a little more confused (like when he said he shot the girls). Unfortunately, the jury is now placed in a position where they aren’t qualified to determine if RA is psychotic but they will have to decide for themselves. I think most people would be fooled by criminal malingering when a forensic or criminal psychologist wouldn’t be fooled, so I’m pretty worried this will mean we won’t get justice here 😞

Abby

2024-11-04 09:22:53 +0000 UTC

Yes, you can hear the pressure coming from his wife in the phone calls where he tries to confess to her. I think the pressure came from her, his mother, his attorneys

Abby

2024-11-04 09:11:29 +0000 UTC

John, thank you so much for this helpful insight. I was dying for your thoughts on all this! One question I have is, and I’m going to try my best to make my question make sense, after he received his discovery and started (for lack of a better word) “going crazy,” could it also be because seeing how gruesome it all was sent him legitimately into psychosis? That’s something I’ve been wondering the whole time. Because yes, if he is the killer, he could see it and then try to feign psychosis. But if he isn’t the killer could he see it and actually be sent into a psychotic episode? When I went to Lauren’s live in SLC with my husband, he could not fully finish his dinner because he’s not use to listening to crime stories and he lost his appetite listening to the one Annie shared. I don’t think seeing crime scene photos would send him into psychosis but I know he would not be well if he saw something so intense. However, I imagine more of a physical reaction like he had listening to a crime. Maybe vomiting, nausea, increased heart rate? Not necessarily the mental health symptoms RA seemed to have. Anyway, that’s one of the things that’s been on my mind. Thanks for doing this guys. Wish I was able to go back with you, Lauren!

Christina MacArthur

2024-11-04 09:06:07 +0000 UTC

We know you’re reporting the facts guys, and we love and appreciate you. The bottom feeders can’t argue with facts.

Paula Jones

2024-11-04 08:58:16 +0000 UTC

Thank you Lauren for covering this case and for the hardship you have endured to be able to get into court. I respectfully disagree with Dr John’s take on this. Not sure he’s completely understood the extent of the torture RA faced. Very interesting though to hear another point of view. Brilliant job by both of you! ❤️

Claire Terry

2024-11-04 08:48:57 +0000 UTC

Lastly, I would just like to say thank you again. I really appreciate your perspectives…I feel like you are both voices of reason. I appreciate all of your efforts, Lauren, to bring us the truth and to care about justice for Abby and Libby. I know it’s hard to see the mean things and hate that people are saying to you — please know that it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with them. YOU’RE a gem! And I’m so glad I joined patreon because just hearing this chat was worth it! Thank you! Peace and love!

Abby

2024-11-04 08:17:32 +0000 UTC

I’ll probably catch hell here. I seem to stand alone. I am not antigovernment. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t think Richard Allen represents the little guy. Dr. John, respectfully, what you are saying is insulting to a person who is weighing both sides. There are all types of people and nothing is black and white. I’ve listened to every day of the trial. The police have not been truthful here. The judge is biased. What they are saying RA did in the time he did it, it does not fit. There is not enough evidence. This is the only case I can remember where I think the defendant may be innocent. The emails and attacks are terrible. You do not deserve that, Lauren. Above all, the murdered girls are in my heart. I want true justice for them.

Sue

2024-11-04 08:15:17 +0000 UTC

Thought #4 — I’m not sure if Dr. John would have anything else to add, but I am curious to hear his take on KA’s behavior. Specifically, her change of behavior between the recorded interaction she had with RA during an interrogation and her recorded phone calls. Why would someone in her situation defend RA and respond the way she did to his phone confessions? Do you think she is just in denial because the evidence is not as clear-cut as DNA evidence? It sounded like she was overwhelmed and still trying to process things when she was in the interrogation interaction but then must have decided the evidence was weak and he didn’t do it so she’s created this narrative in her head that he was only confessing because they “did something to him”? I think she said something similar on one of the phone calls — something like “what are they doing to you — they are doing something to you — why would you say that?” From listening to family members of famous serial killers, it seems like the only reason they are able to accept what their loved one has done is because of DNA evidence and the FBI being like “this is real. There’s no way he didn’t do it” Do you think it’s fairly normal for someone in her situation to have gone this direction (denial), or what kind of tendencies would cause someone to go the denial route. If RA seems like he has a dependent personality issue, what would that mean regarding his partner (aka what kind of people pair with someone with dependent personality)?

Abby

2024-11-04 08:12:02 +0000 UTC

Thought #3 — it’s been hard to watch such craziness and incompetence in the comments people online are making in this case. There are so many comments that defy logic, defy any kind of reality, yet the people are speaking with such certainty. I’ve been struggling with my feelings about this and understanding where this is coming from. I’d arrived at some very similar thoughts to what Dr. John brought up, so it also feels very validating that I’m not the only one seeing it these things! For me, I am seeing very similar themes running through how people are responding to this trial and our politics and culture at large in the US. We are in the age of “alternative facts,” and there is a large percentage of the population that no longer trusts in facts, science, institutions, experts. There is nothing someone can say to make them change their mind about a candidate or belief. Sadly, political propaganda has brainwashed a lot of people to dismiss anything that people in our culture would have previously given significant trust. For example, people testifying under oath. Do people ever lie under oath? Sure. Are they always factually correct? No. But traditionally, the fact that people were testifying under oath was something given significant weight and trust in the minds of our culture. It seems, for all of the RA defenders, all of these witnesses testifying under oath means literally nothing. Even RA’s own words mean nothing (kind of reminds me of a particular political candidate). So to me, what we are seeing here is a symptom of a larger dysfunction in US culture at the moment. There are many people who no longer trust in our institutions and sources of information if those sources do not concur with their opinion. Because of their distrust, they are apt to latch on to any ideas claiming there have been abuses or corruption by the system. Also, I think the temperament of the country is very tense and angry right now (with the election looming). I think people are displacing a lot of feelings about that into their comments about this case.

Abby

2024-11-04 08:00:09 +0000 UTC

Thank you for your professionalism, Team Matthias! I appreciate your hard work and expertise in bringing light to hidden places

LER

2024-11-04 07:49:15 +0000 UTC

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!! You said so many things that validated my thoughts on this case. I’ve been feeling a bit gaslit because of all of the people commenting so strongly in defense of RA. It’s been so confusing and honestly has been making me feel a lack of faith in humanity. I have so many comments, but #1: I’ve also been thinking “where have Libby and Abby disappeared to in this trial??” The entire narrative has shifted to poor RA and how he has suffered. I guess, good job defense? It’s making me very sad. #2 — I’ve also been wondering why the treating psychologist is the only expert that has testified about RA’s mental health. I thought that was so strange. There’s been multiple times when I thought to myself “why don’t they have an expert testifying about this???” “Why didn’t another expert evaluate this???” It seems so strange for such a high profile case… (continued)

Abby

2024-11-04 07:45:56 +0000 UTC

I am so sad you are getting so much hate. It reminds me of a few years ago when a meme was going around about a religious group that was picketing funerals (i wont mention their name). It said " Live your life in a way that makes ____ picket your funeral. " I have thought about that with this case. You are doing a great job. Like everyone, I"m sure you always think you can do better. But that is just insecurities that we all have. It's not the reality. You are phenomenal. Continue to be awesome and share this trail. Share truth and who cares if those haters spit nails. In fact, you must be doing something really right for them to attempt to guard their reality by writing emails. With that said, I understand that's got to terrifying. I'm sorry you are having to feel that. People can be the worst. I'm so sorry.

Katie Alosi

2024-11-04 07:36:25 +0000 UTC

Thanks Rachel. Nicely said.

Sue

2024-11-04 07:34:41 +0000 UTC

I'm really shocked at how many people are obsessed with 'Poor Richard Allen ' whilst not even saying 'if he's the wrong guy, what about justice for the girls? '. Their focus is completely on him and they don't seem to care about what happened to the girls - they seem completely uninterested in what they had to go through. It's horrifying how many people sympathise with a child killer as opposed the children who were victimised. It's troubling that they identify far more with him than them. He's been quite successful at distracting from what he did. Laura Richards from Crime Analyst always refers to 'Poor Me' syndrome becoming most acute at the point of accountability. I have never seen a more extreme example of it😊

Isabel G.

2024-11-04 07:33:37 +0000 UTC

💖 The police are covering things up, imo. Suspicious. There is something a lot deeper going on here. It is so sad.

Sue

2024-11-04 07:29:17 +0000 UTC

I agree with Dr. John. Please do this on Patreon. I worry about your safety from these lunatics.

Hope4All

2024-11-04 07:20:53 +0000 UTC

Thanks Lauren, thanks John! I’m begging to understand why the court chose to close this trial to public and media. It’s because of the bullying, sadly I don’t think the strategy works. Anyway let’s keep Abby and Libby in our minds and hearts 🙏🏻

Mara Brivere

2024-11-04 07:20:41 +0000 UTC

I’m wondering what triggered RA to go back to proclaiming his innocence after his 61 confessions? Was he pressured by his wife and/or mother? Seems that RA is very dependent on the approval and love of his wife/mother. I am really sorry you are at the other end of people’s irrational thinking and hostile behaviors. You do not deserve it. You guys are pure hearted, fair minded and hard working people. Lauren - you are doing an incredible job in a very challenging situation. Total respect for you. Thanks to Dr John for his insights tonight! Can’t wait to hear more conversations here if you feel safe to do so.

Elizabeth

2024-11-04 07:14:42 +0000 UTC

Yes!!! I was just writing pretty much identical comment when it the stream ended and it kicked me off and I lost everything I wrote, so THANK YOU for saying what I was feeling too. Lauren is doing a PHENOMENAL job covering this trial! People are nuts..

Domsmom725

2024-11-04 07:14:27 +0000 UTC

Followed Lauren over here from YouTube and I’m glad I did! Thank you to the both of you for sharing your knowledge, insights, and opinions on a very polarizing case and most importantly, for reminding us that the reason we are all invested in this case in the first place is because of Abby and Libby.

Mackenzie K.

2024-11-04 07:10:33 +0000 UTC

I feel many of us aren’t forgetting the girls. I feel so much sadness for them. Especially Libby. But both of them, absolutely. I am an artist and plan on doing a piece honoring these girls. I will probably also add Tylee and JJ. Little Maddie Soto. So many children hurt, abused, murdered. It breaks my heart. I also have feelings about the trial, but just wanted to talk about the girls here. Thanks, Sue (Starlight Selenite)

Sue

2024-11-04 07:09:15 +0000 UTC

Thank you so much Lauren and Dr John . RA must be really desperate to go to the length of eating his own poop to avoid facing facing up to what he has done he confessed and tried to walk it back he tried to unburden his soul when he had a come to Jesus moment but his wife and mother wouldn’t let him do it this is what upset him more than anything imo . Your commitment dedication and professionalism in reporting this trial / case is commendable and I thank you so much it’s all about finding justice for Abby and Libby and you never let them get lost in all of it , and thank you to you too Dr Babe for your insights and opinions I agree with all you have said and so do the prison guards that had to deal with his antics .

@Teejay

2024-11-04 07:00:43 +0000 UTC

Btw, where was this morning’s live? How can I get notifications?

Wendy

2024-11-04 06:41:58 +0000 UTC

Thoughts on that email. WOW. First, Lauren is reporting, literally reading notes from a trial the judge has closed to the public—no video, no audio. For those who want to argue the guilt, innocence, torture or support of Richard Allen, fine. It’s not for Lauren to decide whether he is guilty or innocent. She’s saying, “attorney asked this, the witness said this. I don’t know why so many people think they are intelligent when they’re making an argument badly, and I don’t always know what they are getting from attacking someone else, but it’s doing something fir them or they wouldn’t do it. Lauren, I feel like I know who you are, and more importantly, you know who you are. You and John know your true motivations, both of you. This kind of hostility has nothing to do with you, it’s about the writer in some way. Please don’t lose sight of how the victims’ families have responded to and comnented on your coverage. Or the comments that remind everyone that you and John have ongoing good relationships with so many of the families affected by other cases you’ve covered, so you must be doing something right. I love that while John is clearly laughing at the ridiculousness of this, he’s also outraged, and rightly. Both of you are baffled, rightly. I’m 58 years old and still can’t 100% wrap my head around how people can behave like this, but I think that doesn’t necessarily say anything bad about me. You can’t make sense out of nonsense, and the day to be concerned is probably if you’re finding that you can make sense out of nonsense. I love that John read the email to you, rather than “protecting” you from it. You’re his equal partner, not his child. In this way, he reminds me of my husband. Just this weekend I was telling my husband about Ted and his dog Red, and Libby’s father bringing banana bread(?) to everyone on the courthouse steps, and some other things like this, that have felt so heartening to me. He can’t deal with most of the cases and trials I follow, because especially any harm done to a child hurts him deeply, so I try to share information that I know won’t hurt him. But he knows who you and Dr. John are, and what I think of you. I believe you have elevated coverage of true crime; your partnership reminds me of my own marriage (that’s a really good thing). I admire and appreciate you both 💜

Lisa Fowler

2024-11-04 06:37:51 +0000 UTC

That’s the most filling snack I’ve had in a long time. Lauren please don’t think about those negative emails again. IMO, Abby and Libby are smiling down on you and Dr. John for all you both are doing in order for so many to hear what they suffered. It’s hard enough to listen to your notes, I CAN NOT imagine seeing the images you’ve seen, that can’t be unseen. There’s no glory in the pain you’re feeling and sacrifices you both are making. Remember For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places! Prayers for strength and safety. 💎💛

Wendy

2024-11-04 06:36:02 +0000 UTC

Wondering if people actually listen to the whole podcast bc of statements of RA being in solitary even though John explained how he was not in solatary ie he had a tablet..tv time..visits/calls with family..Therapist visits. RA didn't pull the crazy act until he read all the evidence LE had..you don't just become crazy overnight. I'm not saying he's guilty, I haven't decided yet. I want to hear everything from all sides..but it doesn't matter what I decide it's the jury's job and a very difficult one. RIP sweet Abby and Libby we all want Justice for you.

Jane Marie

2024-11-04 06:34:14 +0000 UTC

Blows my mind how mean people can be behind a keyboard! Lauren, you have done a phenomenal job, thank you for sharing such detailed reporting!!!!! Don’t let negative comments change your approach to delivering us the facts! I hate to say to turn off comments on YouTube, but if you need to, I wouldn’t blame you!!!! Or get those mods to delete bullying comments!!! Dr. John, thanks for stepping up and helping out around the house and with your son while Lauren is away. You guys make an amazing team and bring invaluable sources of education! Don’t let the bad apples ruin the bunch!! Lauren-please get some rest and start Monday out fresh like you said! Looking forward to hearing more feedback from both of you!!!! 🫶🏻

Carolina Girl

2024-11-04 06:26:03 +0000 UTC

Lauren and Dr. John. I have listened to you for many months. I don’t chat or engage, but I love your discussions. I joined Patreon jusy

JG

2024-11-04 06:22:48 +0000 UTC

assuming guilt and considering it was RA’s own tip that eventually got him brought in, i wonder if he would have broken and confessed down the line if the case went cold or someone else was arrested. and are we buying the conversion? convenience is one helluva drug! thank you for your contributions in seeking justice for abby and libby 🤍 y’all make me feel like i can ethically “consume” true crime content. always something to learn from you two!

Jude

2024-11-04 06:08:36 +0000 UTC

All professional opinions regarding this case are important. Andrea Burkhart is a lawyer who provides a different (almost polarizing) perspective each day on her TY lives. Anyone attending and willing to report this valuable information should be respected in my opinion. Keep up the hard work! 💜 You both are very much appreciated

Rachel Laughlin

2024-11-04 05:59:43 +0000 UTC

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double espresso

2024-11-04 05:51:21 +0000 UTC

Just go on one of the "RA is innocent" channels and you WILL see someone showing their ass! I couldn't listen more than a couple of minutes. But I didn't send them a vile email or leave a negative comment. I just left...what a novel idea. You guys are the best out there, don't ever doubt that. We love you!!!

Soozie Bee

2024-11-04 05:45:45 +0000 UTC

Quick question for Dr John - could RA have never committed another crime like this had he never been caught? Been thinking about that biologist in MT who killed that teenager and apparently never committed a crime against girls again.

Nancy Fowler

2024-11-04 05:32:23 +0000 UTC

Im on Hidden True Crime's side telling the truth. Thank you!

Danni Hull

2024-11-04 05:28:21 +0000 UTC

I agree - stay on Patreon! We adore you here! I’m horrified by the RA fan club. Thank you both - loved hearing there’s a whole different goal and approach between clinical and forensic psychologists.

Nancy Fowler

2024-11-04 05:26:23 +0000 UTC

you are doing great things bring trust into the light, that makes ppl uncomfortable

Moo2

2024-11-04 05:24:23 +0000 UTC

Thank you for scratching the surface Dr. John. Lauren, you’re doing a great job—the voice of reason and justice. ❤️❤️

Debe Hale

2024-11-04 05:21:49 +0000 UTC

I would be the same as John- keep yourself safe(ish) guys- This case is insane. And hopefully Lauren knows most unbiased people think it’s some kind of effing miracle the amount of notes and quotes you got. That message is obviously intentionally trying to go for the jugular- trying to send you back to the kitchen sink. (Nit that you were ever there lol) Stay emotionally safe guys. And F@CK those a-holes. Excuse the French. Ps if John was a woman I would swear his menopausal hormones had kicked in and he was in “I don’t give a flying ckuf what anyone thinks- this is BS and I’ve had enough of it and I’m gunna give you my thoughts!! “ ;-)

Tad Auty

2024-11-04 05:21:06 +0000 UTC

I totally agree with your assessment, Dr. John, and Lauren, your reporting is thorough and excellent. This entire situation is mind boggling. Hang in there, stay safe and keep on telling the truth without fear or favor. Thinking of Abby and Libby and their families tonight. It makes me so sad that what should be about getting justice for 2 innocent girls has turned into such a circus.

Shannon Farrey

2024-11-04 05:20:05 +0000 UTC

Wow those were harsh statements said about you Lauren but listening to John laugh hysterically about it put it in perspective..that person was totally jealous of you and it was totally BS. Your doing a terrific job and great balancing act in reporting what's happening in the courtroom. Sorry to say I'm disappointed in Andrea although I'm sure she is a great lawyer. You keep going girl, this is a horrible trial to cover and your doing it with class. Thank you for that. Nite nite.

Jane Marie

2024-11-04 05:19:57 +0000 UTC

You both provide a platform for us all to discuss our insights. I so appreciate you both!

Vicki Ferrari-Connelly

2024-11-04 05:15:25 +0000 UTC

Thanks for this episode! The RA is innocent crowd will never ever believe he didn’t do it. There has been a toxic environment around the Delphi case for a while now. What Dr. John said about RA being the little guy and the state is railroading him is 100% right. They have to believe in the conspiracy so much so that each time new evidence comes out, they alter the conspiracy a bit to still fit their narrative. They’ve been fed propaganda by pro RA creators and will never admit that they are wrong. Even after he’s found guilty, the conspiracy will continue. It’s terrible and sad.

Rebecca Hayes

2024-11-04 05:11:21 +0000 UTC

You are both the voices of reason! Truth! We do support you!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 05:10:50 +0000 UTC

It’s important to respect the opinions of others, even though we may disagree. We don’t really know what happened in this case. I think people don’t necessarily believe his confession is because the evidence is weak and conflicting

Shirley

2024-11-04 05:10:07 +0000 UTC

Wow! Thank you Dr. John, and Lauren. The Cathargic makes me believe RA is the monster.

Danni Hull

2024-11-04 05:09:05 +0000 UTC

The other guy also has the same gun lol law enforcement did not do their job. They dismissed the FBI. There was no investigation IMO lol maybe we all need to do some soul searching lol

Patty Glissmann

2024-11-04 05:08:58 +0000 UTC

You all are doing a great job and love hearing Dr John’s information. Lauren you are doing a great job!!

Nancy Dallman

2024-11-04 05:08:44 +0000 UTC

Him wearing those shirt colors make me sick!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 05:06:53 +0000 UTC

I believe the email that you received is anger about the whole case which has many errors and mishaps and it’s all been directed onto you. You are doing amazing and never stop being you!

Mandy8Cake

2024-11-04 05:06:17 +0000 UTC

He wasn’t water tortured!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 05:04:16 +0000 UTC

I don’t think they have the evidence that he did it imo. And how is it ok to put him in prison and in a cell in solitary. To me that’s torture and he wasn’t convicted. If he was convicted then he gets what he gets lol just my opinion.

Patty Glissmann

2024-11-04 05:04:12 +0000 UTC

I agree people have forgot Libby and Abby! Your am live broke my heart because I got it. Everyone else is caught up in RA and him!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 05:03:39 +0000 UTC

This was SO FASCINATING to listen too! I would LOVE to hear Dr. John's take on this after reading through all of the case testimony. Lauren you have presented this case to us so thoroughly and straightforward since it started, you're a breath of fresh air. That email was just pure hateful and ignorant. You have been the MOST unbiased person and when you couldn't hear something you said that, you didn't fill in the blank. I'm so sorry some people are so nasty. I'm glad you got to be with your family, GIRL YOU DESERVED THAT TIME AWAY! I know this has to be so hard to cover. People need to remember this is about getting justice for 2 beautiful girls who had their lives stolen from them by a monster.

Adriane Whelchel

2024-11-04 05:03:07 +0000 UTC

I wonder if she didn’t do testing cos he wouldn’t cooperate to be tested- this could fit if he was trying to feign insanity and didn’t want her catching him out too. But I have to listen again to that testimony.

Tad Auty

2024-11-04 05:01:46 +0000 UTC

I believe his confessions. He was drinking and says he is a sex addict. Also SA! He got spooked and killed them instead of R!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 05:01:11 +0000 UTC

Lauren there are some real whacko’s, so sorry! Your reporting is fine! Wow! And there are others out there blaming the victims families. Lauren has been very neutral!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:58:49 +0000 UTC

The therapist got his wife a visit for him and told him he shouldn’t talk about confessions.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:56:48 +0000 UTC

Yes, she was supportive. The defense is just trying to spin!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:54:57 +0000 UTC

She went to the bridge too.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:52:43 +0000 UTC

A person can be psychotic or depressed and yet be a murderer.

Catherine Hargrave

2024-11-04 04:48:31 +0000 UTC

Dr. John is 100 percent right again!

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:46:32 +0000 UTC

He told his Mom too and she told him they wouldn’t talk about it and his Mom said she knew he couldn’t do it but he said why would she say that if I said I did it?

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:44:18 +0000 UTC

Does the psychiatrist test?

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:41:29 +0000 UTC

But he was held in solitary confinement for months, in prison, having not been convicted of any crime. He denied having anything to do with the crime until after he was forcefully given anti psychotic drugs

Shirley

2024-11-04 04:39:51 +0000 UTC

Hi there, have you any knowledge of the motion the defence was denied before trial? Melanie Little just covered it, it is damning and strongly supports RA’s innocence

Heidi Chapman

2024-11-04 04:36:03 +0000 UTC

Being in solitary also protected him from other inmates and himself.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:35:16 +0000 UTC

I think RA faking was timely. He confessed and then he wants to act crazy.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:32:56 +0000 UTC

We appreciate you both. Thank you 🤗

Katie Hunter

2024-11-04 04:31:28 +0000 UTC

Thanks for sharing!

Miranda

2024-11-04 04:27:57 +0000 UTC

Thank you to Ted and Fred for holding your spot in line so we can hear your thoughts in the moment.

Data Lisa

2024-11-04 04:27:50 +0000 UTC

Look forward to listening later after work. You’re doing a stellar job Lauren even if I can’t join or stay on for many of the lives. Best regards from 🇦🇺

JenAus

2024-11-04 04:26:38 +0000 UTC

Hello Dr. John and Lauren.

Kay Louise

2024-11-04 04:25:46 +0000 UTC

DELPHI: Dr John on the Richard Allen Trial. #PATREONONLY

Comments

Who the f are these goons writing unfair and unjust letters? Ignore the peanut gallery please, as us normal folks enjoy and look forward to your content exactly as you report it. A million true crime podcasts but we come to hear and watch yours.

Keep on laughing it’s good for your soul Lauren. I live in Indiana and I looked forward to your reporting of this tragedy. I am so thankful the verdict came back guilty and now we have one less monster running among us.

That’s a good point. I have heard that before. Curious why prosecutors didn’t ask them this before they got on the stand

It’s crazy to me how polarised this has become online. It seems to be following the general mood in the world right now.

I agree

I think this needed to be explained better at trial. I sometimes think the lawyers need an expert to let them know how to question the experts.

I wonder if some of the upset about the verdict has to do with ignorance and misunderstanding about topics such as these

You don’t ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to - or one that can open up a new can of worms…. Like “I see you take 4 blood presssure medications, what pharmacy do you go to? Why did you never report RA despite visiting CVS 86 times while he was on shift since 2017?”

Lauren and John, I just wanted to thank you for your coverage, and to thank you for knowing your own bias but still reporting as neutrally as possible. Financially I’m in a really hard season, but the least I could do was join for a month.

I certainly don’t understand the polarization in this case. I think it may connect to the political climate of our time. If someone doesn’t agree then they are your enemy. Sad we have come to this.

Abuse like what you've received for reporting on this case is unacceptable. I'm using my Patreon membership to pay you back a little bit. Thank you.

You got in the train pun, so that's good.

The worst part of this is defiling a landmark.

I don’t believe she would be honest if she were questioned. She’s 100% an enabler and protector, no matter what. Same with his mom.

Wow I just listened to this today. That email made me laugh like Dr John. 🤷‍♀️ She’s a great reporter. Love to both of you. ❤️

This case is the new West Memphis Three.

Really hoping to hear more from Dr John on this case, his perspective is the most credible and helpful.

I think part of the deeper issue with people being so polarized and not being able to accept truth or facts that’s in front of their face is that there is an attack on truth in our culture.

Why isn't this playing for me?

Did the police searches turn up any rape porn on his devices? Was his wife and family questioned about his behavior on that Feb. 2017 day? The days following? I’m just thinking a wife might notice if hubby ran clothes washer that day .

I truly appreciate you both. I'm appalled at the vivitrol being hurled at you. Thank God you both can laugh it off. Don't stop fighting the good fight. So few people are covering this trial and I am so invested I rely on you.

Lauren, your coverage of this story has been incredible. I have felt like I am in Indiana with you this whole time! Thank you!. You did a fantastic job! Well done! And John, I also hang on your every word! Thank you for the insight and the education! You both rock! What a team. THANK YOU.

I ❤️ you both! Thank you for all of the time you spend investigating, observing, interviewing and very interesting opinions 😀

Would anyone be willing to tell me some other creators worth watching about the case/trial? I have been religiously watching HTC and think Lauren and John have offered incredible coverage. Just curious to hear what others are saying

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for all you've done

Here is a question and I didn't want to post it publicly. Why didn't the prosecution ask the witnesses to point to the person they believe was bridge guy when they were on the stand? Yes he looks different today but it would have been a nice touch for the jury.

I believe that nasty email you received was from someone in Richard's family. It's so passionate and personal. I am so glad you guys all laughed it off. Lauren you have been absolutely incredible. They are just upset they couldn't gaslight you to their side.

Please don’t listen to the negative people out there. You have the presence you do due to your amazing fact reporting & insight!

Justice for the GIRLS!

I too felt that RA was being set up. After listening to Dr. John, I’ll leave it to the jury. The trier’s of facts.

I’m so glad that I jumped in here to listen to your thoughts on this case away from YT, hearing you laugh at people’s stupidity has really helped me to cope with the hideous vitriol that’s being pushed!

oops hit return. So he had some real life experience to back up what Dr. John has been saying all along. Love Ya!

Hate Mail writers have nothing better to do then pick apart their own shortcomings in other people. It's so good to find the humor in it! I love how protective Dr. John is of Lauren 💞! You both are phenomenal! Thank You!

You both are lovely and I love your warmth and dynamic. ❤️ I learn a ton every time I listen.

I ❤️ you both! You were my first True Crime Channel! And I’m LOYAL!

I’ve heard a lot of crap towards you on YT Channels I can’t remember whose. Nobody, that you usually associate with, but I couldn’t sleep one night and I heard your name, and I was like, wtf?🤬

You got Hate email/mail?! C’mon people! BE BETTER!!!! 😡

I didn't realize hate mail was an issue and is completely out of line. Just became a member. Thanks for all you do.

People are getting nasty with this trial. There are a bunch of full blown conspiracy theory folks raging in the comments.

Thank you for taking the time to provide this thorough breakdown-I appreciate it!

Thank you both for your live tonight, so important to be a reporter, informer and enlightener in a sea of misinformation and chaos. Thank you both so much.

I actually had this happen to an old iPad that was water damaged. It’s a thing.

I got to thinking about Libby’s phone and the Jack. Maybe a tiny earwig climbed in and eventually out of that hole. I go put new flowers out at the cemetery and these tiny earwigs are always getting in my solar light and the tiniest of cracks and spaces.

Thoroughly enjoyed this! The giggling too 🥰 Hard subject but love the honesty. Lauren you are not a dumb ass. Xxx

Thank you. I have not followed this closely and was waiting for Dr. John's insights. About the hate, just wow. There is nothing like trying to prove you are right by attacking people. Not a good strategy.

Thank you for covering this so well-both of you

Good on John for laughing at the trolls. They're idiotic and just trying to be hurtful. However I can totally understand why it could hurt. Which is what the trolls intended. We love you, we want to hear your coverage and we support you both.

His answer to Kathy - why are you saying this? "Because I think I did it". This bothers me a lot. He did not reply

💖 Thank you Kathleen. I really appreciate your comment. Everyone that responded and understands my concerns means the world to me. Very grateful.

Lauren you are doing a fine job- and I appreciate your professional husbands opinion

He needs to provide more details I think to be believed- still toying with the truth and lies

Beautifully stated!! 👏💖

I think he has been trying to shape the conversation since the beginning of potential discovery on Feb 15 when his picture was published

I have seen thorazine and haldol not calm a disturbed patient

I worked in large Psyche hospital- I never saw any patient do what he did- he was too organized- methodic-- in my experience when a patient was especially disturbed it was a disorganized erratic- not carrying out intentional behaviors

?? Dr. John, could the effects of Haldal meds have a truth telling effect? Could it subdue the anxiety enough to allow for truthfulness?

Agree. I too have major Depressive Disorder and it can cause me to be unsure of myself and I am very good at putting myself down. I believe RA was under a lot of stress and it caused deterioration but this doesn’t negate the chance he committed a crime.

There was a federal ruling saying 30 days is the maximum amount time - after 30 days you are literally violating the inmates constitutional rights.

I have Major Depression Disorder, was abused in multiple ways as a child resulting in Complex PTSD. I haven’t gotten so much as a speeding ticket. While untreated mental health issues can cause crime, I don’t think that someone shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions.

It’s my first day on Patreon! I’m very grateful to be here and hear about your sincere and honest thoughts. Love you guys!

I joined today. I’m sorry you're receiving emails like that! You both are so highly intelligent and work so hard. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and loads of love from the UK 🇬🇧❤️

Oh my gosh and that email?!?!? What the???? Wow!!! You are doing a great job Lauren!!!

What fascinates me as much as this trial is how polarising it is, it’s right up there with politics and religion!!!! And why can’t people be nice while they disagree with each other?!?!?!

Psychotic people have that million mile stare, nobody is home. and there’s a lot of fear

You're doing great!!!

Thank you so much 💕

Wow, thank you!

Thank you!

Yes Katelyn! BTW, the neuropsychologist who testified today brought an excellent perspective!

Lauren, I hope you don’t let the nasty emailers rent space in your mind or heart. I have been watching your coverage since the Chad Daybell trial and have been thankful for your dedication and authenticity.

Hang in there! I have been so impressed by your dedication and attention to detail, not to mention the long days and nights you are working to share this case. Long time fan and this conversation only deepened my admiration for you both.

I absolutely agree with you two. The victims are Abby, Libby, and their families. Also, I have empathy towards RA’s family. However, I am frustrated at his wife and mom not believing him when he confessed multiple times to them. Yet, they just blamed everyone else but him.

I was trying to figure out if he knew the details of the crime scene before he confessed. What he said about changing his mind about the SA, sorry to be graphic but it just made too much sense to be fake. I agree. I also wish we could see the google searches.

What Krissy said.

Lauren and Dr. John have run up on a nest of trolls. Those people just want to frustrate and waste time of productive people. Loons!

People are conflating what they think is appropriate treatment for inmates and whether he's guilty. Letting him free would not change how any other inmate is treated.

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I am glad you can laugh...but pls pls pls be careful dear Lauren.