Chip Gibbons (@@ChipGibbons89), policy director at Defending Rights & Dissent, joins us once again. We discuss Nancy Pelosi's McCarthyite response to protests in the wake of the ICJ ruling on Israel. Surveillance and civil liberties issues surrounding these accusations. Historical surveillance of MLK and left-wing groups. The implications of the ICJ ruling on Israel. Read Chip's most recent here: https://jacobin.com/2024/01/israel-genocide-south-africa-icj