Yup, Imon said it perfectly, that's why Anime has a special place in my heart, along with shows and movies. This was an amazing episode, the writers of this show are extremely talented. Amazing discussion ladies, keep it up :)
2021-07-17 22:23:35 +0000 UTC
Bruh, they've said it, pay attention and respect their wishes like the rest of us
BetheSOUL
2021-07-13 11:04:24 +0000 UTC
What I thought was interesting was Butterscotch was willing to actually listen to someone's opinion about his book right before he died. Had he lived he may have grown as a person.
fan357 fan357
2021-07-02 20:20:05 +0000 UTC
I didn't know, no need to be an asshat about it
Nicolás Urcera Rebolledo
2021-07-02 01:38:49 +0000 UTC
Omg, shut the fuck up, they've said they don't want to know.
BetheSOUL
2021-07-01 13:14:23 +0000 UTC
Most parents don't consciously decide to be that way to their kids (Bea and Butterscotch might be exceptions.). That sucks it sounds like you drew a short straw in that area. As for the rest of us, we are just passing along our own messed up issues without meaning to. I'm sure I'm fucking up my kids in a thousand ways without realizing it. I'm just trying to do the best I can but I know I'm making a bajillion mistakes.
Steelburgh
2021-06-30 20:27:38 +0000 UTC
That delivery. I will never stop complaining about Will Arnett not winning the voiceover Emmy that year (or any year). Total Travesty.
Steelburgh
2021-06-30 19:49:10 +0000 UTC
I agree, I see it as the conclusion of the Bojack Family History trilogy, with "Time's Arrow" being the second part. And yeah, if they'd had therapy and learned to manage their pain they could have been there for each other as well as for other people...
BetheSOUL
2021-06-29 08:31:11 +0000 UTC
If Bojack has taught me anything it is that recognizing how problematic you are does not make up for the fact of being problematic. Personally I don't think saying you wish you were that man is creepy. But the fact that YOU thought it was creepy and decided to type it anyway...THAT'S what's fucking creepy.
BetheSOUL
2021-06-29 08:28:22 +0000 UTC
also, i dont know the nicest way to ask but if your dad was born in 38 how you look so damn young lol share some tips. dude was 50 when i was born
SantaClausJr
2021-06-25 12:04:34 +0000 UTC
Crying is a beautiful thing, to let it all out is important, but sometimes people are in shock or just don't know how to feel. I didn't really cry at my mom's funeral either, I just felt kinda... empty for a bit. I only cried a lot later.
SantaClausJr
2021-06-25 10:55:36 +0000 UTC
He did say she looked past him, like she was looking at someone else, but there was no-one else in the room. So it makes sense that she was actually reading the sign.
Rene Aavik
2021-06-25 10:10:42 +0000 UTC
it all goes downhill past this episode gals! great reaction
Nicolás Urcera Rebolledo
2021-06-25 09:18:19 +0000 UTC
It's fucked that most of people's issues in life are because of their parents. Yeah I get back in the day a lot of parents had issues with their own parents but it's a new era. Why would you want to put that on your child. Like legit why don't people decide to be better for their kid? It's not like any of us were given a choice to be born so at the least treat us right instead of leaving us with this bag full of issues.
I personally haven't seen or spoke to my father in years and even though he personally wasn't a bad father, he just disappeared out of my life without much of a reason and one thing I'm afraid of is that he'll die or is already dead and I will just never get an answer or reason as to why. It sucks.
Dune
2021-06-25 08:18:52 +0000 UTC
Something y'all were saying after the episode about Bojack needing help and not seeking it had me thinking... Obviously, it's toxic for him and makes him worse, but I think things like his substance abuse *were* ways for him to seek help. And I think plenty of folks who fall into those same cyclical patterns do for similar reasons; grasping at anything to keep them emotionally afloat. And yeah, that's a terrible way to go about seeking help... But what does someone do when those normal safety nets and forms of nurture fail; when your family fails you or therapy fails you? It can send people into spirals in the completely wrong direction, like desperately swimming for air without realizing your heading deeper into the ocean. Being a productive of abuse can create abusive patterns within yourself. That doesn't excuse them, but it certainly makes me believe that rehabilitative justice is more of an answer then punitive justice.
Raleigh
2021-06-25 07:28:53 +0000 UTC
This episode is a masterpiecel; it was robbed of an Emmy imo. I've come to accept i won't ever have that perfect relationship with my mom and other family members. It just isn't who they are and they don't want to change. Thank you both for this great reaction and opening up to us in the ways you relate.
I can relate to Bojack not giving his father the satisfaction of reading his book. He said having a parent die feels like now you know you'll never have a chance of a good relationship with them. I knew that about mines before he passed.
I like how you focused on how he didn't cry. At times it sounds like he's crying on the inside. Bojack doesn't cry in public. His mother told him never too because it was stupid (sounds like her father ) before making him smoke a whole cigarette as a child for stealing one. Now he relates the two together and smokes when he's depressed to take the emotions away. The only time we have ever seen him cry is the S3 episode where this all happens; its the same one where they break into the Nixon exhibit. After not crying for the scene he steps outside, starts to smoke and breaks down crying.
Purple Hearts
2021-06-25 06:34:15 +0000 UTC
Lmao definitely creepy but I see the good intentions behind it.
Dune
2021-06-25 06:18:47 +0000 UTC
Imon needed this episode
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 05:01:32 +0000 UTC
Man i wish i had my life together enough to where I could be the man Imon wants in her life. Not to sound creepy cause that came off creepy.
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:47:14 +0000 UTC
bojack always seeking closure is why he suffers
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:37:14 +0000 UTC
When you guys finish the show (or fans) check out "how bojack horseman redefines narrative" on youtube
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:37:02 +0000 UTC
I can relate to bojack on the not reading his dad's book because "why give him that?". I know i should just read the damn book but I don't want to give him that
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:35:51 +0000 UTC
bojack said maybe my mother wanted someone to say "everything is worse now" for her. at least he gave her that
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:30:28 +0000 UTC
Odd how similar bojack and his father actually are
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:28:53 +0000 UTC
I don't think bojack's mom literally meant ICU. Personally i think she was trying to connect
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:27:37 +0000 UTC
That final line is the cherry on this whole episode. The best comedy has a bit of tragedy (or a lot) and by god was that a gut punch. And I thought the episode couldn't punch me harder. Also Bojack's dad is voiced by Will Arnett too so this episode is basically Will Arnett proving why he should have won an Emmy. This and Fish Out of Water are some of the best of the show, which is funny since both are the complete opposite, one goes most of the time without talking and the other is nothing but talking. I also find it funny how last episode Bojack complained about how much dialogue there was in Philbert and how TV is a visual medium.
Adam Vialpando
2021-06-25 04:21:55 +0000 UTC
"ALL I HAD WAS YOU"
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:13:42 +0000 UTC
this episode broke me down man. the becker part about never having the relationship with. your parents that you want is truly heart breaking
Matthew Fortuna
2021-06-25 04:13:34 +0000 UTC
I think this episode is when 'The Old Sugarman Place' makes more sense within the narrative. The intro is also an example how none of them are able to see each other past the lens of themselves. We get to see Beatrice and BoJack as the viewers but they never get to know or understand this pain they both carry. The pain they carry is almost their entire identity and it feels too dangerous to let go of in order to look at each other.
Edit: Characters in therapy you say?