Hinge Points S2E6: Bernie Won feat. Meagan Day
Added 2022-12-22 16:37:28 +0000 UTCMatt and Danny are joined by Meagan Day of Jacobin to answer the question: What if Bernie won?
This is the last of this season of Hinge Points, thanks for listening. If you have any topic requests for if/when we do more of these, let us know!
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what if henry clay did not turn down the vice presidency when it was offered to him in 1840 and he becomes president after harrison dies immediately? how does the sectional conflict play out?
Greg Newton
2023-02-22 00:14:51 +0000 UTCI swear I don't mean to be a tedious hater... but boy am I tired of Danny Bessner. Beyond the nasal nerdluck voice, he's every single obnoxious grad school seminar blowhard cliche rolled into one. Concerned above all with never appearing not to know something, he cuts his co-hosts off to finish their thoughts, as if he has to reach every conclusion first. He repeats points others made earlier in the show, showing he's often not really listening when the others are talking. He reaches for theory cliches and keywords that don't add to the conversation, merely alluding to to irrelevant syllabus assigned reading, and prefers vague and abstract terms (drink every time he says "polity" in the previous episodes). If you listen to one of the Low Culture Boil episodes he did, you can hear him cut off and literally "Well, actually..." one of the hosts (his own gf, I think?).
J Fitz
2023-01-10 04:26:25 +0000 UTCI’m sure you are capable of cogently explaining why it was laughable
Luke Rybuck
2023-01-05 01:42:15 +0000 UTCvery true
Rarmeme
2023-01-03 00:57:54 +0000 UTCI think we just witnessed a what a Sanders presidency would have looked like in Peru. A very undemocratic constitution in a true sense and a system of government and institutions (armed forces, right wing courts) designed to limit democracy and prevent a government from being able to lift the great mass of people out of abject poverty . Being totally obstructed by both the neo reactionary right wing party and neoliberals within your own coalition. A news media totally opposed to everything you do and trying to clown on you at every moment. In order to win you need a durable mass based movement like MAS in Bolivia, who even when the leader was overthrown in an imperialist backed military coup and barred from running, was able to win.
Hilary is Pant-suited Syphilis
2023-01-02 11:05:38 +0000 UTCMatt and Megan's focus on what was more deeply at stake with Bernie--the changing of people's political subjectivity--is a crucial takeaway in this episode. Really, really good stuff! A reminder that fixating on Bernie himself during his campaigns, whether it was supporters or haters, was a trap: it was always about how his runs represented a challenge to the status quo that was actually big enough hand coordinated enough to pose a serious threat. Something most of us haven't seen in our lifetimes and something we will hopefully have again asap.
scott heins
2022-12-31 19:15:13 +0000 UTCChris Matthews in the bear suit from Midsommar burning alive
John S
2022-12-31 03:37:09 +0000 UTCHer husband died about 8 years ago so it's probably been a while and she has seemed a bit sad lately. I'd really appreciate you doing her that solid or semi-solid.
DS
2022-12-29 13:12:45 +0000 UTCCentral Park would be so wild in the annual summer cleansing
Zach Pierce
2022-12-29 10:15:36 +0000 UTCMine was nailing a hot blonde T-bill portfolio manager named Kristi with an “e” on her desk after the Treasury Dept closed for July 4 2021 in the Sanders Administration
Zach Pierce
2022-12-29 10:12:01 +0000 UTCYou know there isn’t even a plaque or a marker or anything outside the DC Hilton to even acknowledge that a president was SHOT there on the sidewalk. Even though Hinkley f’ed up. I dig his music career
Zach Pierce
2022-12-29 10:06:14 +0000 UTCYep. It wasn’t an executive order. It was actual legislation
Zach Pierce
2022-12-29 10:03:06 +0000 UTCI got your mom covered. Jk
Zach Pierce
2022-12-29 10:01:28 +0000 UTCIm looking into finding an english translation of Jorge Baradit's Synco. Its an alternate history novel where Allende replaces Prats with Pinochet in the General Staff and brings him into the government. Coup.never happens and Allende is able to use Cybersyn to create the first cybernetic state.
Romulus V. Snakehead
2022-12-28 21:03:49 +0000 UTCI can’t bring myself to listen to this one
Micah
2022-12-28 21:00:50 +0000 UTCSorry
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-27 22:57:32 +0000 UTCHow boring
Isaac Salazar
2022-12-27 22:55:47 +0000 UTCA good topic would be if Allende wasn't couped
M.R. Alchemist
2022-12-26 04:54:50 +0000 UTCAgreed, they need to change to a different race
Jonathan G
2022-12-26 02:22:51 +0000 UTCIf Bernie won Jacobin would be so popular bruh. They’d be making big bucks. Sad times , need more hinge points
EZ
2022-12-26 00:50:45 +0000 UTCIt’s as garbage as you imagine. It’s only good for how cringe it is
EZ
2022-12-26 00:48:29 +0000 UTCThis is prob one of the worst episodes of chapo ever. White socialist crying over Bernie in 2022 is so damn cringe
EZ
2022-12-26 00:47:59 +0000 UTCI'm glad that the season 1 theme song came back
Sean
2022-12-25 18:41:33 +0000 UTCI love Meagan Day
Matelda
2022-12-25 15:13:19 +0000 UTCElection of 1912: Wilson strokes the fuck out and Teddy gets back in there
Jethro Mojave
2022-12-25 13:21:26 +0000 UTCIt would have been interesting to how Bernie would have dealt with the railworkers strike. That's a key point in recent labour and government relationships.
Marcus Wrightus
2022-12-25 01:00:48 +0000 UTCThe “attitude that prevails” among podcasters and the online left is completely irrelevant to any actual bloody change
J.P. McD.
2022-12-24 20:12:25 +0000 UTCLol
Cindy Carrot
2022-12-24 20:01:04 +0000 UTCMatt: Please turn CushVlog into a coffee table book/series of essays w/ digital companion. Start with all the episodes about feudalism to neofeudalism. Tie the Jackson and Trump episodes on Chapo and Hell of Presidents. Bring in the Carter/Nixon/Reagan episodes on working class decline. Tie in the voteball and American Sunset episodes and the COVID solidarity episodes. I would buy that for my mom and boss.
DS
2022-12-24 19:29:27 +0000 UTCYa they’re the pills I stick in ur wifey butt :)
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-24 15:21:53 +0000 UTCThere’s pills for that
Isaac Salazar
2022-12-24 15:18:34 +0000 UTCDisappointed they didn't get to "what would Bernie do about Ukraine?"
MG
2022-12-24 06:03:49 +0000 UTCAbsolutely love the old theme song. I also think the next season could benefit from more of a structure. The hinges aren't quite deep enough to get to the points! The homework done in the Hell of Presidents was stellar, and I think this deserves something close to that.
Antipaganda
2022-12-24 05:49:00 +0000 UTCOld intro is a big improvement
bigboyseason
2022-12-24 01:03:05 +0000 UTCI’m actually radically soft
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-23 22:10:32 +0000 UTCYou can’t go this hardcore in the patreon comments. It’s too dangerous
Isaac Salazar
2022-12-23 22:09:22 +0000 UTCwell you could always do your own podcast so everyone can hear your own galaxy brain analysis
Pope Francis
2022-12-23 21:06:26 +0000 UTCYou pay these guys $5 a month to leave snide comments they likely don't read?
CeeDeeWai
2022-12-23 20:00:49 +0000 UTCCould be HP, could be FMJ, but I feel like this is getting away from the main point: Reagan ending up (like mentioned in the Hinge Points S2 teaser) like Goldie Hawn in "Death Becomes Her." Reagan is *traumatically* removed from the American game board, so what happens next? Is he around long enough to be Deified by the right from the 80's to today (arguably Trump has taken that mantle as most of those who deified Reagan then are dead now and the right has more or less moved on)? Do the Neocons of the 90's and 2000's get their foot in the door? Reagan, whether we like it or not, was a pivotal figure in the American psyche...but what if he never had the chance to be? Would we get a proto-Trump in a President Limbaugh (ugh)? It's a concept I've found myself thinking back to every now and then and since Danny and Matt put this interesting mind virus in my head, I haven't been able to shake it. I'd love to see them explore this way more.
Jonny confuse by corndog
2022-12-23 19:46:13 +0000 UTCTopic request: Have Adam Curtis on to discuss how TraumaZone would be different if the communists had taken control again.
Hector Jaime
2022-12-23 18:46:36 +0000 UTCThanks, Lord of all Edge
Peter Sullivan
2022-12-23 17:00:48 +0000 UTCYou should give it a try
Peter Sullivan
2022-12-23 16:59:09 +0000 UTCCame for bad historical analysis, stayed for bad political analysis: holy shit that part about executive orders on checks was so laughable
Owen Urech
2022-12-23 16:00:35 +0000 UTCDownvote
Smallbusinessman
2022-12-23 15:14:56 +0000 UTCthe new intro was so good why revert back for the last ep like this? odd
JV
2022-12-23 13:15:22 +0000 UTCBernie would win the popular vote but the electoral college would choose trump T_T
Ewka
2022-12-23 10:55:20 +0000 UTCDo hollow points ricochet though? Is the implication that Reagan wouldn’t have been shot?
Robby Gross
2022-12-23 08:55:34 +0000 UTCNah man, hinge points are for alternate history
Elliot Matheny
2022-12-23 07:09:38 +0000 UTCOnly someone completely delusional would take themselves back to the start of the covid crisis and consider the reaction to it to be nothing more than ‘crazy making’ by political parties. If this is the attitude that prevails the left will simple never be able to take advantage of a crisis — necessary to make any actual bloody change
Ang
2022-12-23 06:25:21 +0000 UTCThe take on the politics of the initial covid crisis is so ridiculous - total no clue stuff.
Ang
2022-12-23 06:22:08 +0000 UTCIt’s fr annoying when podcasters talk on pods
Major bit me
2022-12-23 02:43:25 +0000 UTCHaven't listened yet and I already hate it.
Justin Martin
2022-12-23 02:39:40 +0000 UTCGoddamn is Meghan smart
Matthew Silverman
2022-12-23 01:57:38 +0000 UTCI liked the new season 2 music. What if the Ottomans has lightsabers?
mmckay
2022-12-23 01:41:31 +0000 UTCI don't know if you two are holding onto this or not, but I'd love to see this explored!
Jonny confuse by corndog
2022-12-23 01:26:27 +0000 UTC"If you have any topic requests for if/when we do more of these, let us know!" I would like to see a deep dive into "what if Hinkley had used a .44 Colt Anaconda w/ hollow points instead of that .22 he used?" When Danny and Matt teased that, what a year ago, I was immediately hooked on the idea. How would it have affected: -Iran Contra & other CIA classic hits -Evangelicals -The Reagan/O'neill chumminess -Deindustrialization, abandonment of working class peoples, crime wave/hysteria -The ebb and flow of Neoliberalism -Democratic challenges to the milquetoast George H. W. Bush -Would it have affected events of the early 90's? (Gulf War, Rodney King Riots, Pogs, etc.) -The fragile American psyche coming out of the 70's and Carter/Ford -Pacts with the Soviets
Jonny confuse by corndog
2022-12-23 01:25:57 +0000 UTCWoman is annoying.
Stinkamus
2022-12-23 01:24:39 +0000 UTCI thought she was fucking annoying lol
Stinkamus
2022-12-23 01:24:08 +0000 UTCYou’d think this would be a phenomenal episode but it absolutely was not This lady doesn’t know much about unions let alone working in the US As soon as she starts talking about why ppl aren’t unionizing it’s so cringey
Anthony Taylor
2022-12-23 00:44:27 +0000 UTCWhat happened to the majestic Season 2 theme song?
Eric Herde
2022-12-23 00:08:15 +0000 UTCIt seems pretty obvious to me that a few minutes after Bernie somehow managed to secure the Democratic party nomination, which I still believe would have been denied to him at all costs, some helpful spook would have arrived with the heart attack gun to finish the old man off. He had already had a highly publicized heart attack, plausible that a well timed second heart attack would have resolved the problem altogether. Difficult to imagine any chain of events that would have led to Bernie actually being sworn in as president.
Jordon E Perez
2022-12-22 23:56:41 +0000 UTCJesus more like Jacocaineabin
Saying Monty Python Quotes In Lieu of Conversation
2022-12-22 23:40:10 +0000 UTCAbout time you got the old HP intro music back.
Emil Torok
2022-12-22 23:36:14 +0000 UTCI wonder if they'd release a program consisting of only the theme for a few hours. Maybe with Matt doing a "shut up! shut up! shut up!" from a Megan McArdle segment in the background.
SJ
2022-12-22 22:59:10 +0000 UTCPlease unlock this
Matthew Silverman
2022-12-22 22:33:24 +0000 UTCThis might hurt too bad to listen to… for me
TangiePower
2022-12-22 22:32:17 +0000 UTCI can't not hear that song every time!
Jake Zydek
2022-12-22 22:28:58 +0000 UTCeasy there buddy
Cam Koenig
2022-12-22 22:02:59 +0000 UTCHinge Point: What if I am gay and my dick is small?
The Fine Art Revolution
2022-12-22 21:50:46 +0000 UTCLove that the old theme is back
Rich Gaschnig
2022-12-22 21:38:00 +0000 UTCMy fantasy in 2020 was that I would have gone to work in the sanders treasury department.
T
2022-12-22 21:37:19 +0000 UTCplease unlock this one
Yup
2022-12-22 20:38:44 +0000 UTCyeah, we remember the "real guy" hypothesis
Jake Zydek
2022-12-22 20:34:30 +0000 UTCHearing that old theme this morning really made my day!
Greg
2022-12-22 19:38:51 +0000 UTCWe got the Sanders episode, now how about that SANTA episode?
Joe
2022-12-22 19:31:06 +0000 UTCthe only banger podcast intro in the game
Kamran Husain
2022-12-22 19:29:54 +0000 UTCthank you for the Season 1 theme/intro chris
soldiermighty
2022-12-22 19:27:11 +0000 UTCTwitter owned by trump would be amazing
NYCM&AHole
2022-12-22 19:24:51 +0000 UTCgiving felix an update on my camo grind. 30 gold weapons and 15 platinum
Ian McShane
2022-12-22 19:24:24 +0000 UTCMatt Suss would’ve continued the nato expansionist policy into Ukraine so he could complete his vision of banderastan
NYCM&AHole
2022-12-22 19:23:32 +0000 UTCMaybe Mastodon would suck less if it was named Behemoth but pronounced how Megan and Matt pronounce it
Hector Jaime
2022-12-22 19:13:14 +0000 UTCJan 6 would've been allowed to work, Trump would've quoted intel about Chinese and Venezuelan voter interference, possibly declared some emergency like ground invasion on Venezuela idk. I saw that powerpoint where that was a narrative they had prepped.
Drake Myers
2022-12-22 19:06:34 +0000 UTCI really like the idea that American party politics have the libidinal/emotional structure of a messy divorce.
Matthew Black
2022-12-22 18:48:40 +0000 UTCThey wouldn't have coup'd Bernie. Maybe just pulled a Gough Whitlam on him.
Saga
2022-12-22 18:45:18 +0000 UTCThe sad truth is that Bessner is a tedious nerd who talks too much and I haven’t listened to a single Hinge Points sadly
Peter Fishbeast
2022-12-22 18:40:52 +0000 UTCHardcore in ur wifey throat hoe
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-22 18:39:45 +0000 UTCYou’re hardcore for sure
Isaac Salazar
2022-12-22 18:37:15 +0000 UTCThe discussion in the last 15min or so has a sort of realism that I haven't seen in popular discourse. People act like the FBI, the CIA, and other elite power centers don't intervene in domestic affairs, like cointelpro stopped, Ferguson activists didn't end up mysteriously killed in the same way, and rank and file members of the bureaucratic machine don't do things to keep us divided and infighting. Gerrymandering is a good "clean" example of this. Suggesting any sort of covert activity of any kind is always countered with, "oh so everything's an op?" Even when there's fucking evidence of a precedent. There's no way the CIA would help sell heroin and crack to millions of Americans right? Does anyone understand just how much money we're playing for here?
William
2022-12-22 18:34:44 +0000 UTCAmericans don’t want to pay to fund another bureaucracy, they want the one to whom they pay 30% of their salaries to arbitrate on their behalf. Unions suck for all but like 4 trades (including the cops) and professional athletes
saysthemachine
2022-12-22 18:33:49 +0000 UTCWhere’s the Green New Deal and M4A in all this? Meghan as fawning cap hill journalist and Matt as cranky White House spokesperson. These are your fantasies? Lame
David
2022-12-22 18:26:34 +0000 UTCThanks for bringing the song back guys!
Este
2022-12-22 18:23:30 +0000 UTCWho is this Bernie Sanders fella
Nathan Baker
2022-12-22 18:18:45 +0000 UTCNot done yet but I think this is the best executed hinge point in this season so far: you have Matt as the pessimist arguing the prosecution (bear with the shitty metaphor) and Megan the optimist (relatively speaking) arguing the defense. Danny is a good moderator because, in my opinion, he's just not good at presenting material to regular people. No offense, Danny, but there's too much of some kind of barrier. If I had to guess probably due to the academic/institutional training, which instructs you to communicate in a way that is by nature more archaic and inscrutable. Wild ass guess though Anyways, I feel like we're getting some good synthesis shit going on. Too often in other hinge points you have an overriding narrative, or a pre-determined outcome, or the sense of one. Here, so far, it's an open question for the most part. Two people are allowed to set up a risk board and speculate about who has the better opening position because of what they might do
William
2022-12-22 18:08:22 +0000 UTCCringe points
Ty
2022-12-22 18:00:04 +0000 UTCIn my view, American workuhs should not have to face the prospect of losing their livelihood and their health insurance because squib factories are closing down.
Tim O'Connor
2022-12-22 17:49:37 +0000 UTCtitle makes me wanna cry :(
IG @TheAdamFriedlandShowGirl
2022-12-22 17:49:26 +0000 UTCYou say this on the day that they finally bring back the fun ragtimey theme music?
Tim O'Connor
2022-12-22 17:46:36 +0000 UTCAlmost all the comments on here seem to hate the show... but keep listening folks!
Jeremy O
2022-12-22 17:42:34 +0000 UTCThanks Pusey
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-22 17:25:56 +0000 UTCGot ‘em
Isaac Salazar
2022-12-22 17:23:36 +0000 UTCMan these suck tbh
Nakatomi_Jones
2022-12-22 17:22:49 +0000 UTCPolitics is over. It doesn't matter what your takes are anymore
Thomas Carroll
2022-12-22 17:19:03 +0000 UTCPeople still like bernie? I was a huge fan in 2016. Reluctant supporter in 2020. Outright detractor in 2022. Dude and his "friend joe" are enemies of the working class.
Jeremy Hathcock
2022-12-22 17:13:54 +0000 UTCThe Bernie Chapo psy op industrial complex
The Cheerful Comrade
2022-12-22 17:13:52 +0000 UTCUhh, where'd the old intro go?
Karl
2022-12-22 17:09:58 +0000 UTCThere would certainly be fewer Chris Matthews in the world.
Josh Saad
2022-12-22 17:08:44 +0000 UTCThe “Bernie Would’ve/Should’ve Won” lamentations shall continue until morale improves
Marduk
2022-12-22 17:01:03 +0000 UTCI guess this topic was inevitable but no less exhausting. Let it go, boys.
Sparky
2022-12-22 16:59:23 +0000 UTCWould a Bernie presidency slow down Hollywood’s use computer-generated squibs?
Steve D
2022-12-22 16:53:55 +0000 UTCthe good ending
Stan Refermat
2022-12-22 16:52:30 +0000 UTC4. Similar, but less annoying
Hector Jaime
2022-12-22 16:51:34 +0000 UTC1. All women become they / them. 2. Uvalde kids still alive but the cops are dead. 3. Jeff Bezos donates all his money to curing baldness. I have hair again. 4. Twitter becomes owned by Donald Trump rather than Elon Musk. Results are similar. 5. Florida is the trans capital of the world. 6. Drag shows in every school. 7. Communism sold in ice cream shops.
Matthew Goldman
2022-12-22 16:48:56 +0000 UTCDon’t break my heart
Sean Orr
2022-12-22 16:47:51 +0000 UTCIn the HPU (Hinge Points Universe) Hillary died of laughter on 9/11
Marduk
2022-12-22 16:43:47 +0000 UTCMinister of Culture Felix Biederman asking Chuck Schumer if he's ever heard of 15 year old rapper named Yung Fratricide
Saying Monty Python Quotes In Lieu of Conversation
2022-12-22 16:43:24 +0000 UTCthe media meltdown about Biden getting out of Afghanistan only about everything, every day
etienne
2022-12-22 16:42:32 +0000 UTCDon't need to listen to the ep beyond the intro. It's back baby. The intro is back. Hinge-poooointa!
Stewart Robertson
2022-12-22 16:42:17 +0000 UTCVery dope mag bros keep it up 😭
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-22 16:42:04 +0000 UTCWe'll get em someday
richard parker
2022-12-22 16:42:03 +0000 UTCHaven't listened, but gonna bet Bessner predicts the climate crisis would have already been averted, national Healthcare, and no war in Ukraine
B.C.
2022-12-22 16:41:59 +0000 UTCJaCoBiN
No1BASICCHANNELFAN
2022-12-22 16:41:15 +0000 UTCBernie, remember him?
Brendan Carpenter
2022-12-22 16:40:33 +0000 UTCCoup
Neil Jones
2022-12-22 16:40:31 +0000 UTCWE LOVE OUR SILLY INTRO, LET'S HEAR IT FOR OUR GOOFY LITTLE INTRO MUSIC!
Isaac Jones
2022-12-22 16:40:05 +0000 UTCOh dear
Miles
2022-12-22 16:39:55 +0000 UTCLove my HingePoints slop! 🐷🐷🐷
Mike Loudin
2022-12-22 16:39:39 +0000 UTCOh
Cameron Jones
2022-12-22 16:39:30 +0000 UTC
