MM16 - City Frights: Wolfen, Candyman, and the Urban Wilderness
Added 2023-11-03 03:34:10 +0000 UTCIn this final episode of this year’s Ghoulvie Screamset, Will & Hesse take a look at Michael Wadleigh’s “Wolfen” (1981) and Bernard Rose’s “Candyman” (1992). Two films taking advantage of real urban environments the horrors of city life, from the intrusion of primordial natural evil in Wolfen, to manifesting the everyday horror of urban poverty in Candyman.
Thanks for listening to our second outing of Movie Mindset! Will & Hesse will be back next year with a full season 2 of the series. Let us know if there's anything you're dying for us to cover, and stay watchin’ everybody.
Comments
Mike Leigh!
Logan K Peterson
2024-01-05 04:43:04 +0000 UTCLaw & Order: Canine SVU. Sometimes the victims are also the perpetrators
FoxLord
2023-12-28 04:03:50 +0000 UTCRY couldn’t disagree more! I thought it was the perfect sequal- candyman haunting the the artist loft condos built on top of Cabrini Green, slaughtering the artworld assholes who pretend to elevate black people, incredible score Robert Aiki Aubrey Lowe, return of sacrificial baby, those paintings at the end, and one of the best cop-butchering scenes in any film. Maybe not better than the original but a masterful extension of the critique. Also great use of bees 👌🏻
Jack
2023-11-08 16:17:21 +0000 UTCFlower Moon Bonus Ep? Pretty please oink oink
Benjamin
2023-11-08 13:22:02 +0000 UTCAs per Candy Man and the erotic gothic stuff Will mentioned: I find this film (as a horror movie) very interesting because it’s the only one I’ve seen this year that wasn’t almost directly about jouissance (in its terrifying form from early-ish Lacan - Ethics Seminar/Kant avec Sade). This film is instead about desire - she follows her desire to discover the truth about Candy Man to the end and regretting the fulfillment of her wish (much like Antigone’s regret when she has been condemned to be buried alive). Even at the end, when she has nothing, between-two-deaths - she spends the last corporal moments of her life saving the baby; very Antigone. However, even if this film isn’t about jouissance proper it’s definitely about the “death drive”. Desire is always a mirage - and dissipates once the object has been apprehended. Her lack (of dissertation) led her to pursue a thread to the end with horrifying and unimaginable consequences. Also Candy Man is always talking about his desire for her - she has become his fantasy object that he pursues without knowing what he wants (he says at some point “all you have left is my desire for you” or something like that); what’s terrifying for her, is what will happen to her once he has her and immediately loses interest in her as an object of desire? This is what is so terrifying about an Other’s desire, it’s so fickle. Forgive me for name dropping Lacan.
Robert Coombs
2023-11-08 04:52:47 +0000 UTCPhilip Glass is goated on the keys. I was lucky enough to see him and his band perform Koyaanisquatsi in front of a screening. that's Movie Mindset
etienne
2023-11-07 15:12:33 +0000 UTCI respect your opinion but I really didn’t like it. I found it slow, predictable and too transparently about how it’s hard to be petty-bourgeois when you’re a black dude. The garishly allegorical aspect was much more present than what was actually supposed to scare you or at least thrill you.
Riley Bloomer-Ludwig
2023-11-07 11:14:39 +0000 UTCWolfen is Whitley Streiber’s hallucination :: Steven Spielberg has a dog’s purpose.
RG13
2023-11-07 08:45:07 +0000 UTCWolfen is really good - I think just as important as the thermal wolf vision is the impressive sound design for how the wolves hear the world around them, emphasized when it cuts to the non-POV shots with standard human audio range. The review of Candyman just reinforced how shitty the Nia DeCosta sequel was - all the invisible man-style kills where you only see non-Tony Todd Candyman in reflective surfaces, hipster art girl speaking in Joy Division song titles, CGI superhero Candyman at the end. The OG isn't exactly subtle with it's themes but is much more rich and complex, gracefully threading horror with gothic romance and social issues in a way that's visceral and immediate but is also fun to analyze afterwards. The new one is ultimately shallow ephemeral trash that's also light on horror - you can't top Tony Todd so why even try, but also why bother
Ry Mar
2023-11-06 19:46:04 +0000 UTCAs a fellow DS9 head, I would absolutely listen to this.
Jim Veil
2023-11-06 15:10:37 +0000 UTCNew Candyman is good, and more of a sequel than a remake. Not as good as the original, but better than any of the previous sequels for sure.
Jim Veil
2023-11-06 15:08:15 +0000 UTCCandy Ma'am 🍬 🧑🦲🪝
Warbs
2023-11-06 00:56:56 +0000 UTCsomehow I JUST got the email about Matt from September and thought something else had happened. JFC patreon has some bugs in it lol
Glen
2023-11-06 00:44:13 +0000 UTCYou just know Will wants to do a DS9 episode, this is the second mention of it already this series. Would definitely love to see that.
A Sentient Katamari of Bad Life Decisions
2023-11-05 11:35:41 +0000 UTCHannah and Her Sisters for TGiving!
CactiFlowFlow
2023-11-05 02:09:43 +0000 UTCSeven Beauties, please! Oh yeah!
awwwwwwww
2023-11-04 19:28:35 +0000 UTCWould love to see you cover Shohei Imamura (The Pornographers, The Insect Woman) or obscure Soviet banger Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, perhaps the most Criterion-ready film that Criterion never released.
Paul Xanders
2023-11-04 17:44:59 +0000 UTCMaybe this is too obvious or overdone, but how about some Movie Mindsets about Soviet 🎥 ?
Christian Johnson
2023-11-04 17:24:08 +0000 UTCI’ve been diving into Paul Shraeder’s filmography this year and would love to hear it discussed on the pod. Blue Collar and Light Sleeper are god-tier imo
Chris Rose
2023-11-04 13:38:43 +0000 UTCHow about some non-Godfather Coppola? I love One From the Heart and would love to know your thoughts about it.
Matt James Rich
2023-11-04 06:30:51 +0000 UTCIt blew my mind Philip Glass did the score for Candyman. What's so incredible about him doing the score for a horror movie that revolves around the institutional decay of the housing project, Cabrini Green, is that it bookends a prior movie Glass did the score for- Koyaanisqatsi. In Koyaanisqatsi, Glass composed a song called Pruitt-Igoe which is overlayed the destruction of the St. Louis housing project, Pruitt-Igoe. I like to think that for Glass, Candyman was this canvas to create a sequel to that Pruitt-Igoe sequence, connecting the two through the sublime beauty of an operatic horror soundscape.
HamDrawn
2023-11-04 04:18:39 +0000 UTCPhillip fucking Glass!
Andrew Mueller
2023-11-04 01:28:22 +0000 UTCPentagon declares killing Candyman's Number 2 commander
Doug Cartel
2023-11-03 19:41:32 +0000 UTCCheck out WHEN EVIL LURKS that came out on Shudder this year for one of the best animal attack scenes ever.
Josh Link
2023-11-03 19:34:02 +0000 UTCYep, Ida B. Wells (nee Congress Parkway)/Eisenhower 290, going westward through the post office. Cabrini is further north from there.
Herschell Gordon Lightfoot
2023-11-03 19:19:50 +0000 UTCNever gonna stop banging the drum for you to review John Sayles’ film Lone Star. Great cast, beautifully filmed, and a great ending you’ll never see coming.
Brian Taulbee
2023-11-03 19:17:19 +0000 UTCPut Tony Todd on the $20 bill
Tim U.
2023-11-03 19:08:47 +0000 UTCCould you guys add timestamps for the film discussions because sometimes ive only seen one and want to listen to that section
What was stewie using the kneepads for i don getit
2023-11-03 18:34:14 +0000 UTCNot only did James Horner repeat a lot of this in Aliens but you can also hear heavily borrowed motifs from Jerry Goldsmith's score for Alien. Can prob blame the director in both cases as film composers are often going off of temp tracks. RIP to two great ones. Also, would love an episode on Jacob's Ladder!
Peter Harp
2023-11-03 17:46:55 +0000 UTCMy favorite director and she is so rarely mentioned! All Screwed Up is my fave
Dregnet
2023-11-03 16:49:14 +0000 UTCThere is a horror themed coffee shop in Chicago called The Brewed (a riff on Cronenberg) that has Candyman’s mouth painted on a wall, and you dump your garbage into his mouth. It’s a really great cafe.
Michelle
2023-11-03 16:15:48 +0000 UTCYou should do last tango in Paris, one of my faves!!
Aram Fingal
2023-11-03 16:12:22 +0000 UTCYou guys mention Green Room in this episode, the director, Jeremy Saulnier, directed another movie called Hold the Dark, which involves wolves, highly recommend it. It's weird and has an AMAZING shootout scene, best shootout in a movie I've seen in probably a decade.
Anomalie
2023-11-03 15:46:36 +0000 UTCI believe the highway in candyman is the Eisenhower expressway
Fresh Dill
2023-11-03 14:57:11 +0000 UTCYup
Fresh Dill
2023-11-03 14:56:04 +0000 UTCPLEASE do a Lina Wertmuller film! Any of her films, they're so good and commie!
Tenley
2023-11-03 14:13:41 +0000 UTCAn episode on Spinal Tap, and the diminishing returns of Christopher Guests mockumentary series.
Michael Turner
2023-11-03 13:51:43 +0000 UTCI think CANDYMAN is particularly good too in that the people "reporting" on conditions of horrifying oppression and poverty, especially white people talking about people of color in America, never really *quite* believe what their "subjects" tell them, never believe that (for example) the violence that happens in horribly redlined underserved parts of cities, or among homeless/migrant populations, is the *same* violence that could happen to anyone in those same circumstances – and as a result, they treat the recounting of that violence not by thinking "Oh jesus christ, this is horrifying" but by thinking "How terrible that people have to FEEL this way." The thing about 911 just not going to certain neighborhoods – everybody in America has "known" that for like 40 years, at minimum, but I think most white people "know" it as "an expression of helplessness," rather than "No, 911 really truly doesn't go there, and it won't change, because YOU don't really believe us."
Michael S. Judge
2023-11-03 13:12:57 +0000 UTCIn the Native American bar, that's Tom Waits on piano. There's apparently a moment where Wadleigh cut to him, but he excised it.
Kenny Hedges
2023-11-03 13:09:59 +0000 UTCLove the series, I’d love to see home Bela Tarr and Lars von Trier next season!
Dylan
2023-11-03 12:54:16 +0000 UTCAbel Ferrara ep in season 2???
Kade
2023-11-03 12:53:45 +0000 UTCWill and Hesse are unfair to the rooftop sniper cops on the set of "Wolfen" here. They totally neglected the context: This wasn't Wadliegh's first attempt at using live wolves on a set! Has everyone forgotten the fatal failure of "Herzog and Wadliegh's Wolf-In?"
Clarp Blarpkiss
2023-11-03 12:49:57 +0000 UTCDoesn’t Xander also play John Connor’s foster dad?
NYCM&AHole
2023-11-03 12:14:34 +0000 UTCGreat series and would love an in the mouth of madness episode
Matt Fitzgerald
2023-11-03 11:56:18 +0000 UTCFuck yeah, I'm a major Logan's Run stan
Christian Johnson
2023-11-03 11:23:31 +0000 UTCI swear this theme song has healing powers ❤️
Tim O'
2023-11-03 10:43:51 +0000 UTCAgain, I suffer through the simultaneous pleasure/pain matrix of listening to Hesse say Yesse over and over.
Antipaganda
2023-11-03 07:29:58 +0000 UTCI could go for an episode on dystopian sci-fi films for Hippie burnouts (Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Silent Running) or 70's neo-noirs starring shlubby guys (Night Moves, Charley Varrick, Across 110th Street, The Friends of Eddie Coyle).
Plainwrap
2023-11-03 06:38:32 +0000 UTCNeed to hear hesse's take on Blonde, a movie by and for sickos
red rock breast
2023-11-03 06:08:18 +0000 UTCHesse has yet to have the harrowing experience of when you learn how dachshund is pronounced
Jen
2023-11-03 04:58:13 +0000 UTCHesse fire in that Rei sweater ❤️
Biannual Beats
2023-11-03 04:05:04 +0000 UTCI would love some MM episodes that focused on film making techniques and their best examples, SFX artists, stunt choreography, originals vs homages, original vs reboot or remake, great cinematographers, shot for shot remakes, early peckinpah vs Convoy, trucker movies, directors who cannibalize their own work throughout their career or remake the same movie, films about film, great movie sequels, why the Chinese hate ghosts, b movies that are trying to capitalize off of popular film trends, Ralph Bakshi, the best made for tv movies, and films that reflect on whether animals are friends or foes.
Tvvvv
2023-11-03 03:54:54 +0000 UTCI'm glad this slop is less twinged with spooky-dooky new wave ghosts are real shit. Thanks for the good slop fellas
Franklin Shepard Inc.
2023-11-03 03:47:34 +0000 UTCWould love one where you just gush about big indoor sets (Highlander 2 is a great one for this)
J.P. McD.
2023-11-03 03:41:04 +0000 UTCI just wish I could hear the set about Mouth of Madness
HarshMalarkey
2023-11-03 03:39:24 +0000 UTC
